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Nanodegree Plus: Get hired within six months of graduating, or tuition refund

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Re: Nanodegree Plus: Get hired within six months of graduating, or tuition refund

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Post by icecube »

saganus wrote: post #28
bdcravens wrote: post #10

Sounds good, so long as they don't pull what some bootcamps do, which is hire former students

Why? Is it wrong for boot camps to do that? I am genuinely asking since I'm not familiar with that. What exactly goes on and why is it bad?

Because a student who just graduated should not be teaching new students. They are way too junior and inexperience even if they are the top in their class. The bootcamp should be investing in quality instructors.

Also, some bootcamps hire students that have trouble finding a job in order to keep their percentage of students finding jobs high.

Re: Nanodegree Plus: Get hired within six months of graduating, or tuition refund

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Post by dsp1234 »

bluehawk wrote: post #24
dsp1234 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looking further at the terms: "* Graduate has not rejected any job offers."

Probably to fix a pretty obvious loophole: * Obtain degree * Turn down all jobs for 6 months * Get refunded, then get a job.

What I was pointing out is that under the terms and conditions, you cannot reject any job offers and still get a refund. Regardless of how shitty the terms.

Re: Nanodegree Plus: Get hired within six months of graduating, or tuition refund

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Post by monsieurbanana »

goodJobWalrus wrote: post #27
bluehawk wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably to fix a pretty obvious loophole: * Obtain degree * Turn down all jobs for 6 months * Get refunded, then get a job.

So, you forgo 6 months salary, in order to get $3-4k tuition back. I guess if you didn't want to work anyways...

Backpacking through the world for 6 months while earning a bit of money? Count me in.

Re: Nanodegree Plus: Get hired within six months of graduating, or tuition refund

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Post by bdcravens »

saganus wrote: post #28
bdcravens wrote: post #10

Sounds good, so long as they don't pull what some bootcamps do, which is hire former students

Why? Is it wrong for boot camps to do that? I am genuinely asking since I'm not familiar with that. What exactly goes on and why is it bad?

It allows them to say "X% of our students get a job within N months"

They hire those students as teacher/aides. Most students want to be developers, not teachers, and are willing to pay $X to become a developer. Manipulating the hiring rates without full transparency re the odds of getting a real development job paints a false picture of value of the education.

Re: Nanodegree Plus: Get hired within six months of graduating, or tuition refund

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Post by zardo »

j_h_s wrote: post #9

I'm really fond of Holberton's tuition scheme, where you pay 25% of your salary for two years after graduation. In this scheme, everyone is incentivized to help the student get a high paying job, so the school simply can't become a degree factory.

It's doesn't completely align your interests, they may be better off placing more people in lower paying jobs than spending the effort to get you in the highest paying job they can.

Re: Nanodegree Plus: Get hired within six months of graduating, or tuition refund

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Post by FireBeyond »

bruceb wrote: post #4

"Udacity will help you find you a job (as defined in the program Terms and Conditions) at a partner company, land you a paying internship, or secure for you the opportunity to make money through Udacity’s global mentorship or freelancing programs. We will achieve this within six months of your graduation date, or refund your full tuition." Paying Iinternship or "freelancing programs" is a bit slippery. You freelanced…

A paramedic school in Washington was once run by AMR. Guaranteed employment.

If you were a "problem" or lacked potential, you'd get a job offer for either remote South Dakota or high in the Appalachians.

"Tuition refund guarantee not valid if offer of work turned down".

Re: Nanodegree Plus: Get hired within six months of graduating, or tuition refund

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Post by drpgq »

dhawalhs wrote: post #5

Here are the four Nanodegrees that are eligible for the Nanodegree+ program: Android Developer, iOS Developer, Machine Learning Engineer, and Senior Web Developer. The name scheme is interesting because it tells you what you will become rather than what you will learn. The ML and Web Developer Nanodgrees are pretty new, but we already have reviews for the first two: https://www.class-central.com/certificate/ios-devel…

Machine Learning Engineer? Seems on a pretty different level that iOS Developer or Android, but things are pretty hot right now I guess.

Re: Nanodegree Plus: Get hired within six months of graduating, or tuition refund

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Post by saganus »

saganus wrote: post #28
bdcravens wrote: post #10

Sounds good, so long as they don't pull what some bootcamps do, which is hire former students

Why? Is it wrong for boot camps to do that? I am genuinely asking since I'm not familiar with that. What exactly goes on and why is it bad?

Thanks for the answers. They do make sense.

So you basically operate a revolving door (or more like a ponzi scheme) and then get to "honor your guarantee for getting hired" in a way that is misleading.

Indeed it sounds unscrupulous.

Re: Nanodegree Plus: Get hired within six months of graduating, or tuition refund

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Post by 1024core »

Reminds me of a scam surrounding recruitment (in armed forces) in India. 100s of potential recruits come to the recruiting event. So scammers would go around pitching their services: give us 1000 rupees, and we'll get you in. If you are not selected, all your money back.

In reality, they did nothing. If the guy got selected, they kept the money; if he didn't, they gladly refunded it. Easy money.

Re: Nanodegree Plus: Get hired within six months of graduating, or tuition refund

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Post by 1024core »

monsieurbanana wrote: post #33
goodJobWalrus wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, you forgo 6 months salary, in order to get $3-4k tuition back. I guess if you didn't want to work anyways...

Backpacking through the world for 6 months while earning a bit of money? Count me in.

Refund of your own money is not "earning money"...
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