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Project Rider – A C# IDE

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Re: Project Rider – A C# IDE

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Post by jsingleton »

jbigelow76 wrote: post #162
jsingleton wrote: post #144

I'm unreasonably excited by this news. ReSharper is already an amazing tool and I'm sure JetBrains can do so much more with complete control over the whole IDE than with a plugin. I've not been very impressed with Visual Studio 2015 so far. I particularly don't like being forced to sign in to what should be an offline piece of software. Also, be careful installing it on an existing system as it will mess up your sett…

>I particularly don't like being forced to sign in to what should be an offline piece of software. With JetBrains moving to a subscription model for their software won't you end up with the same problem?

I hope this isn't the case. The last time I purchased ReSharper it was a one off payment. IIRC you got a year of upgrades included but if you wanted the newer versions after that then you needed to keep paying a subscription renewal fee. However, it wouldn't stop working after that time. You still kept what you paid for.

I just had a quick glance at the ReSharper page [0] and it appears that they still use the same model. They also offer monthly subscriptions but say that "12 months of uninterrupted subscription payments qualify you for receiving a perpetual fallback license.". BTW the cookie law notice on that page is one of the best I've seen :).

I've used pretty much every version of Visual Studio and 2015 is the first to have issues with licensing. I originally signed in with my MSDN account to activate it (fair enough) and then signed out. Now it tells me that my license has "gone stale" and I can't use it until I sign in again. There is an option to enter a product key but MSDN tells me:

    A product key is not offered with this edition of Visual Studio. 
    To unlock the product, you must sign in using the login associated 
    with your active Visual Studio subscription. By signing in, your 
    IDE settings will sync across devices, and you can connect to 
    online developer services.
My old versions of VS are still licensed with a key and work fine. It makes me worry whether I will still be able to use VS 2015 when my subscription expires. Maybe it's worth exploring the free community versions. I believe that they no longer have the limitations on plugins that they use to have. I don't mind paying for things but the time and cognitive overhead dwarfs the financial cost.

[0] https://www.jetbrains.com/resharper/buy

Re: Project Rider – A C# IDE

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Post by noir_lord »

winterbe wrote: post #109
tobz wrote: post #67

How long is it before JetBrains comes out with something more like Eclipse or Atom? You have IntelliJ, PyCharm, RubyMine, CLion, and now this. That's excluding plugins for other IDEs. All of their IDEs basically look and feel the same. It seems like a ripe opportunity to make a single, extensible IDE that isn't quite so ugly as Eclipse but isn't quite so barebones as Atom that then just has different chunks of suppor…

It already exists and is called the Intellij Platform. It's open source and the base for all Jetbrains IDEs, see: * http://www.jetbrains.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=983889 * https://github.com/JetBrains/intellij-community/tree/master/...

Since 15 it also works damn near flawlessly for me on Ultimate, they also seem to be faster on getting the plugins upto date with the individual IDE's which is a major win for me.

Current project I'm using PHP and Python for different parts and it is absolutely flawless, also if anyone hasn't used them Facets and Aspects are incredible!

Re: Project Rider – A C# IDE

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Post by stonemetal »

justncase80 wrote: post #185
s73v3r wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's an editor, not an IDE. It's basically Atom, with some specialized plugins.

What is the difference between an IDE and an editor? When this supports C++, be prepared for Visual Studio to disappear. Also, it's based on Electron but doesn't have anything to do with Atom.

An Integrated Development Environment as the name suggests integrates all of the tools in a developer's environment: editor, compiler, debugger, source control, servers. An editor is just one part of that.

Re: Project Rider – A C# IDE

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Post by dsp1234 »

danielcarvalho wrote: post #189
gelasio wrote: post #164

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I've tried all of JetBrains tools over and over throughout the years since I keep hearing about how much some people like their stuff - but every single time I am disappointed at how over-engineered everything they do seems to be. Furthermore, their cross platform tools like IntelliJ IDEA always wreak of badly emulated native components that don't look or behave the way that they should on any OS. So for me - Visual…

I've had literally the opposite experience. Everything I seemed to need, IntelliJ IDEA magically had. I just ended up uninstalling things like pgAdmin, for example, since IntelliJ IDEA is just far superior at doing the same thing, and it's just right there where you code. Convenient. Usually it started out as, "I wonder if it can..." and then quickly find the feature that just does what I want. Even as a Windows user…

like pgAdmin, for example, since IntelliJ IDEA is just far superior at doing the same thing, and it's just right there where you code.

You don't mention the two things together, but VS has the server explorer which you can use to hook in to a database and do administrative tasks (both design and data viewing)

Re: Project Rider – A C# IDE

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Post by pknopf »

stonemetal wrote: post #193
justncase80 wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the difference between an IDE and an editor? When this supports C++, be prepared for Visual Studio to disappear. Also, it's based on Electron but doesn't have anything to do with Atom.

An Integrated Development Environment as the name suggests integrates all of the tools in a developer's environment: editor, compiler, debugger, source control, servers. An editor is just one part of that.

vscode is intended to be a compiler/debugger/etc. It can already debug node/mono apps. Checkout dnx, .NET Core, and Roslyn. Soon, Visual Studio will not be needed for pure c# applications, except traditional MSBuild/csprojs and C++.

Re: Project Rider – A C# IDE

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Post by toddan »

gravypod wrote: post #17
FatalBaboon wrote: post #10

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Visual Studio is one of the best IDE out there, and it is likely to remain better than Rider for at least a while. It surely "comes close" ;)

I don't agree. If an IDE takes better hardware to run than Crysis and is so bloated with features that it makes a Epson HX-20 look like a Macbook Air there is a problem. People use Visual Studios because they are used to it.

I use it because i love it and i have not found a better alternative.

Re: Project Rider – A C# IDE

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Post by thebouv »

murukesh_s wrote: post #182
carussell wrote: post #180

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It is built on Electron Shell, but vscode is a lot more than a preselected set of plugins for Atom. Most of vscode was written from scratch in TypeScript or assembled from existing (non-Atom) parts. The editors don't really share code.

+1 vscode is just using Electron Shell, not entire Atom. vscode is a well executed project. During initial testing vscode seemed much more responsive than Atom to me.

Yeah, VSCode definitely seems more responsive. I tried giving Atom a try 2-3 times now, but it always seemed "laggy" for lack of a better word.

Re: Project Rider – A C# IDE

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Post by alkonaut »

ruraljuror wrote: post #102
alkonaut wrote: post #18

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VS is nice and powerful, but ironically it needs Resharper to match a JetBrains IDE like IntelliJ for autocompletion/tooltips/navigation, which is severly lacking in Visual Studio. That's one objection. The other problem with Visual Studio is that it's a beast. It takes multiple gigs of drive space (which of course suddenly became a problem when everyone's disks shrunk from 1TB to 128GB over night a couple of years a…

I like Resharper a lot, but I do found that a lot of the features I use in Resharper are baked right into VS. For example, in Resharper Ctrl + T navigates to a symbol by name. That is Ctrl + , in VS. The code analysis/improvements/suggestions is definitely great though, at least for a while.

I haven't used a "naked" VS for a few versions, how long has it had proper giro type/file/symbol navigation?

Re: Project Rider – A C# IDE

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Post by ultramancool »

bargl wrote: post #174
firephreek wrote: post #165

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Only if you purchase a monthly subscription. If you buy a one year license, you get a perpetual license and you don't have to sign in when. The monthly based subscription require logging in every 30 days or so, but you can also key in the licensing offline with out signing in.

The same is true of Visual Studio you can apply a license in VS. I just did it in VS 2015. No sign in required.

I've got MSDN, can I do this? Necessitating the signin really pissed me off.
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