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Re: Freenode sucks

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Post by quxquuxcorge »

bramcohen wrote: post #46

I'd like to clarify a few points around my post. The reason I posted the log verbatim, me being pissed off and all, is that I wanted to make very clear that I was accurately representing official freenode policy, and that requesting help through support leads nowhere. My gripe is with freenode policy, which is asinine, not with the particular person I spoke to, who was merely being useless and patronizing. The reason…

You were a total douche about it. The other guy was actually a bit polite and helpful.

>People are free to criticize me for not being polite, and I'm free to respond that they're being petty and superficial.

This is you not getting it, possibly because you have Aspergers.

edit: Actually, fuck that. You're functional enough to understand what you're doing.

Re: Freenode sucks

#52

Post by redwax »

There was a problem and someone not solving it - to many this is the douchery.

Jobsworth.

I would be honoured to have Bram Cohen ask me for some help and given his heroic efforts on behalf of the network I would go above and beyond.

Seems Bram just camly stated the facts and the sysop just kept replying rules trump all.

Ashbergers Mashbergers for IRC this is probably the most dainty little flame ever.

PS Bram Cohen rules teh internets

Re: Freenode sucks

#53

Post by chancho »

bramcohen wrote: post #46

I'd like to clarify a few points around my post. The reason I posted the log verbatim, me being pissed off and all, is that I wanted to make very clear that I was accurately representing official freenode policy, and that requesting help through support leads nowhere. My gripe is with freenode policy, which is asinine, not with the particular person I spoke to, who was merely being useless and patronizing. The reason…

> If you value the superficial affectation of politeness over the essential point of what someone is saying, you can shove it.

Surely, in situations like these, even you can understand the value of politeness. You engineered politeness into the bittorrent protocol (tit for tat.) It's the same thing. The admin wasn't being useless and patronizing, he was choking you because you were acting like a bad peer.

Re: Freenode sucks

#54

Post by jrockway »

bramcohen wrote: post #46

I'd like to clarify a few points around my post. The reason I posted the log verbatim, me being pissed off and all, is that I wanted to make very clear that I was accurately representing official freenode policy, and that requesting help through support leads nowhere. My gripe is with freenode policy, which is asinine, not with the particular person I spoke to, who was merely being useless and patronizing. The reason…

You are aware, right, that a bunch of people who had no opinion of you now have a negative opinion of you now? Then you posted this comment, and now there are more.

You really think that Freenode is a "negative value to society" because you can't use your rather-common first name as your nick? Yeah...

Re: Freenode sucks

#55

Post by jrockway »

ErrantX wrote: post #7

I have to say Freenode came of rather well here. Bram... not so much. :P and I hope you realize that you just completely pissed off one of the most well known and respected people in the whole open source community Sounds like he's possibly completely pissed off a large portion of the Open Source community :)

Indeed. Bram has written some good software, but he's no more important than the thousands of other people that have written good software that I use everyday.

Re: Freenode sucks

#56

Post by dschobel »

cookiecaper wrote: post #45
dschobel wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can read whatever subtext and be as offended as you wish. My only purpose was to highlight his well-known issue with Aspergers. You can do with it as you like.

As pointed out below, he doesn't even have a real diagnosis. He hides behind the label to excuse himself from learning appropriate behaviors.

The syndrome exists (or does not exist) independent of the diagnosis.

I can't comment on your second sentence but it seems completely speculative and I can't imagine how you can substantiate it.

Re: Freenode sucks

#57

Post by jay_cee »

The difference between being an asshole and an Aspie is clear; assholes are completely resistant to hearing about a better way to handle something, and Aspies, go "gee, that didn't occur to me, and I was just looking at it this way, but next time I'll try that." I know Bram pretty well, and when something doesn't work, he listens to his friend's suggestions and tries to add them to his social algorithm. Maybe he doesn't do this too publicly, but would you? In casual everyday life he never throws around status, when he meets people he doesn't say anything other than, "I'm a programmer" if asked. He really usually gets embarrassed by recognition and tries to downplay it. However, I think we've all behaved less than humbly when pushed to our boiling point. The trigger is frequently just the straw that breaks the camel's back, and we all can get pissy. It doesn't meet my high spiritual standards for myself when I lose my temper, but it happens. Jeff18 who posted an actually good suggestion on how to handle this situation, would be really good working with Aspies. That is exactly what they need, and what teachers spend most of their time doing with AS children, modeling different solutions. It was very helpful.

Re: Freenode sucks

#58

Post by gnurant »

BjornW wrote: post #5

Although I've only seen a part of a presumably actual conversation (haven't tried to confirm it using other sources) I do find the attitude shown by Bram Cohen to be something I would not have expected from 'one of the most well known and respected people in the whole open source community'. It actually saddens me to see an open source programming 'role model' of mine behave like a spoiled child I do understand the f…

He was just p'eed off and rightly so. He tried civility. And aired a bug in the system. That's all.

Re: Freenode sucks

#59

Post by jayliew »

Taking a step back as an impartial observer,

(1) Sure, Freenode's policy can be improved, because a significant amt. of users think it is a bit stifling. The admins need to figure out how to engage the users.

(2) In this situation, there are solutions more optimal than douche-baggery. If he wanted his nick back, being nice increases his odds. Bram can use a class in negotations 101.

OK - Let's move on with our lives now, don't you need to prepare for the 3/3/2010 YC deadline? If you are bored - there are plenty of single founders looking for co-founder.

Re: Freenode sucks

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Post by Happypants6306 »

quxquuxcorge wrote: post #51
bramcohen wrote: post #46

I'd like to clarify a few points around my post. The reason I posted the log verbatim, me being pissed off and all, is that I wanted to make very clear that I was accurately representing official freenode policy, and that requesting help through support leads nowhere. My gripe is with freenode policy, which is asinine, not with the particular person I spoke to, who was merely being useless and patronizing. The reason…

You were a total douche about it. The other guy was actually a bit polite and helpful. >People are free to criticize me for not being polite, and I'm free to respond that they're being petty and superficial. This is you not getting it, possibly because you have Aspergers. edit: Actually, fuck that. You're functional enough to understand what you're doing.

I didn't have any opinion of him as a person (yes I appreciate his work), until I saw him spouting off about being important. Now I have a negative opinion of his personality.

The whole aspergers thing is based on a self-diagnosis and the only reason he wouldn't get diagnosed is out of fear not having it.

P.S. Somebody stole my nick, where can I cry about it?

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