who the fuck are you EFF, why are you stirring up so much trouble, and who pays you?
Cisco Must Be Held Accountable for Aiding China’s Human Rights Abuses
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#92who the fuck are you EFF, why are you stirring up so much trouble, and who pays you?
I donate to them, as do many people who believe that they are doing good work overall.
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#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's how evil things happen. This phenomena is called diffusion of responsibility[0] and lead to some of the most evil actions in human history. 0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffusion_of_responsibility
> That's how evil things happen. This phenomena is called diffusion of responsibility[0] and lead to some of the most evil actions in human history. Another way evil happens, even more prevalent today, is meddling and invasion on sovereign countries. The good ole "democracy bringing" routine...
What does this have to do with Cisco?
Re: Cisco Must Be Held Accountable for Aiding China’s Human Rights Abuses
#94who the fuck are you EFF, why are you stirring up so much trouble, and who pays you?
I donate to them, as do many people who believe that they are doing good work overall.
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#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
http://www.cnet.com/news/riots-suicides-and-other-issues-in-...
Foxconn employs nearly a million people. You are going to get quite a few suicides no matter what you do. Their suicide rate is below the China population average.
Not just the Chinese average: during its worst year (2010), the rate was lower than in all 50 US states.
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#96So should you since that device you are reading this on was most likely sourced there. Likely sourced by underpaid workers in virtual enslavement to Foxconn or some other component manufacturer. Not to mention living in a toxic environment so we can all have our electronic toys.
The working conditions are pretty poor, but people are still choosing them over unemployment, for obvious reasons. Forcing them into unemployment by refusing to buy their products may assuage our consciences, but it doesn't help them, and it's not how we in the developed world got our improvements in quality of life.
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#97It seems clear Cisco knew their systems were going to be used against Falun Gong. Leaked Cisco presentation: "Cisco Confidential 57 © 2002, Cisco Systems The Golden Shield Project: Public Network Information Security Monitor System • Stop the network-related crimes • Guarantee the security and services of public network • Combat “Falun Gong” evil religion and other hostiles [Note: Statement of Government goals from s…
Falun Gong is an evil litigious cult created in 1992 as a way to raise money for the founders and cult leaders. They're unscrupulous, including promising terminally ill cancer patients the possibility of healing if they just redirect their remaining wealth toward the cult. They're the Chinese equivalent to Scientology, but even worse. Their teachings are racing, homophobic, sexist and misogynistic. They preached that…
Your source makes the supports the claims you make, but it itself does not source (some of it more grievous) claims.
I'm willing to accept that the claims of them suing various people. But I wouldn't call these cases frivolous per se: They could very well believe that they were denied participation in a parade on a discriminatory basis. I wouldn't necessarily say I think it is the right approach to take but the examples they give are not that absurd in today's world. (And could also be the work of but a small subsection of the group).
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#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah right. Until 1999 it received wide support from Chinese officials, but then decided it was too big and started a silly propaganda campaign feeding the gullible with lies like you just told at the same time when they started a violent persecution. At least they had learned something from the bloody Tienanmen massacre, and this time instead sending military to murder piles of unarmed civilians carried out the murd…
Does this remind anyone else of Order 66?
Jedis aren't defenseless.
Falun aren't trained fighters with powers. So no.
Order 66 is Hitler shutting down the SA for the SS.
I just had to "correct" you. Also I do enjoy finding similarities with the empire and Jedis.
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#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
If holding swords is illegal, shouldn't we prosecute sword makers ?
If the sword makers design a sword specifically to kill members of a persecuted minority, then yes..
Common criminals also constitute a persecuted minority. What kind of criminal do you consider worthy of protection and what kind should get persecuted?
Perhaps people should follow the law of the country they're in to avoid persecution. Don't publish state secrets in the US, don't have sex with other men in Saudi Arabia and don't broadcast anti-state messages in China.
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#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah right. Until 1999 it received wide support from Chinese officials, but then decided it was too big and started a silly propaganda campaign feeding the gullible with lies like you just told at the same time when they started a violent persecution. At least they had learned something from the bloody Tienanmen massacre, and this time instead sending military to murder piles of unarmed civilians carried out the murd…
Quick quiz for you: exactly how many people died on that square you mentioned? If not, where are the killing happened? Which side draw first blood?
does it matter if it was 1 or 1000? They were killed because they wanted democracy and the state wanted to retain their power and ability to enrich themselves at the cost of the general population.