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Re: David Bowie Has Died

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I've been traveling all over the world and all I hear everywhere I go is crap American top 40 pop music. Like I said there's a ton of interesting stuff going on outside their purview but they control the conversation right now.

Most larger Asian countries have quite their own music market. But everywhere else I think it's true what you write.

Here in Southeast Asia it's Maroon 5 and Katy Perry everywhere you go.

Re: David Bowie Has Died

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What do you mean by 'religion', and why does it matter whether sports is a religion under this meaning? Here are some differences: sports fans don't think that their team is capable of supernatural feats. I don't think I've ever seen a fan of one team try to convince a fan of another to change allegiance, or proselytizing on a street corner. Sports fans know that the teams of the other fans exist, while religious peo…

> Here are some differences: sports fans don't think that their team is capable of supernatural feats. I don't think I've ever seen a fan of one team try to convince a fan of another to change allegiance, or proselytizing on a street corner. thinking that something is capable of supernatural feats is not required for something to become a religion. Quite on the contrary I present you exhibit A: "forum atheists", non-…

Then what is a religion for you? Is it simply fervor in believing something?

Re: David Bowie Has Died

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I mean that it is a shared obsession that can intensify our better and worse natures, but the worse outweighs the better.

FWIW a couple of the absolute worst periods has been under decidedly atheist regimes (Communist Russia etc + French revolution). Then again I think atheism is a religion too.

Is communist Russia objectively worse than the crusades or the Catholic inquisition or ISIS? Let's just be honest here and say that human being are capable of pretty cruel things, regardless of being spurned by religion or not.

And why is atheism a religion. Isn't its definition a lack of religion?

Re: David Bowie Has Died

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I bought my first Bowie album probably 35 years ago, I still carry Bowie music around on my phone. Back then buying music seemed like such an important thing. It was both a choice, you could only afford one record out of many, and a statement, your record collection said something about you to your peers. I guess social media takes it's place in that you use it to express who you are and what you like. Back then you…

Your comparison between this kind of behaviour to social media seems fairly insightful. Is this a realisation you came up with just now, previously, or picked up somewhere?

I was just thinking of the Bowie vinyl that I had and remembered what the experience of buying it was like. Having 'cool' albums was a thing, it said something about you. Now that I have teenagers myself I don't see that with them. Music is not something they own, it's free (if you don't mind the ads) and anyone can have anything they like. No effort is required and maybe because of that They don't seem to appreciate it the same way.

I wouldn't claim that any idea I had was original but for sure I see a similarity between the way people seem to curate their social media profile so that they appear in a certain light to others to the way my peers and I used to curate our record collections to portray something about ourselves as kids

Re: David Bowie Has Died

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What do you mean by 'religion', and why does it matter whether sports is a religion under this meaning? Here are some differences: sports fans don't think that their team is capable of supernatural feats. I don't think I've ever seen a fan of one team try to convince a fan of another to change allegiance, or proselytizing on a street corner. Sports fans know that the teams of the other fans exist, while religious peo…

> Here are some differences: sports fans don't think that their team is capable of supernatural feats. I don't think I've ever seen a fan of one team try to convince a fan of another to change allegiance, or proselytizing on a street corner. thinking that something is capable of supernatural feats is not required for something to become a religion. Quite on the contrary I present you exhibit A: "forum atheists", non-…

> Quite on the contrary I present you exhibit A: "forum atheists", non-believers that believe so strongly in the non-existence of anything they haven't personally seen that they will hijack any thread that is remotely near using any religious word.

--- What does this have to do with the supernatural? Secondly what does this have to do with religion. If religion was 'people who feel strongly about something' then the definition of the word would no longer represent what it does.

Re: David Bowie Has Died

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How is dying not unfortunate? You have an exact 50/50 chance of making the next day. So a death is unfortunate, as you might as well have lived another day.

Really? An EXACT 50/50 chance?!

Apparently everyone's life expectancy is 2 = 1/2 + 2/4 + ... + n/2^n + ... days.

Re: David Bowie Has Died

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Do we all have to share this culture of mourning and condoleances? I have listened to some music made by David Bowie, but I kind of feel not that much about his death. Am I heartless? Or just honest? I mean, listening to some guy's music do not make it a close relative, is it? (If so, then well we all have too many "close relatives" for this mean anything anymore). Or should I just shut up and let the people weep unt…

Or should I just shut up and let the people weep until we go to some other topic?

This.

Re: David Bowie Has Died

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>> "For every one of those decades I could name several rock bands who were commercially successful and whose music also represented a major, youth-oriented cultural movement which challenged the status quo." Take a look at some of the big EDM acts. It may not be your thing (and it's not really mine) but it's undeniable that acts like Swedish House Mafia and Avicii changed youth culture. If you take a listen to popul…

Yup. And in terms of politics, there are a pretty decent selection of young rap and hip-hop artists (similarly--with rare exceptions, not my thing either) who are speaking to the concerns of an unheard segment of the population in the United States. Limiting this to "rock" cuts out a lot of people, both in the U.S. and out.

"Rock" has essentially transformed to any music that sits in popular culture, and particularly youth-oriented culture. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame thankfully recognized this and have now inducted several artists who wouldn't fit into the traditional definition of "rock".
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