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Amazon has no idea how to run an app store

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Re: Amazon has no idea how to run an app store

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What is broken about Apple's review process? Sure it's stringent, but is that not a good thing?

Well lets see... You have to pay $99 a year, you need an apple computer to add an app to their store, it takes weeks or months to add an app, and I'm sure there's more.

None of those things are problems with the review process.

Re: Amazon has no idea how to run an app store

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It's really remarkable how much Amazon's reputation has been self-destructing in the last year or so. Even 6 months ago when I told people I thought Amazon was an all-around shitty company (having worked there) and shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as Google, FB, etc., people looked at me like I was insane. Somehow the stock keeps going up... I don't have any material insider info but just on a hunch I doubt…

Almost like stock price and reputation among tech people are somehow completely unrelated.

Re: Amazon has no idea how to run an app store

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Google Play does not have a "malware infestation". I have never once downloaded any malware, lookout has never detected any malware on my phone and I've never known anyone who has downloaded malware from Google Play. Anecdotal for sure, but given you said "infestation" you'd think I'd be crazy to download anything at all from Google Play. Absolute nonsense.

Indeed. This is so overblown it is pathetic. Edit: I wonder what smut the down voters have been downloading that may have given them the malwares. Reputable apps are fine. And there's no infestation. Just stahp.

Malware-containing apps have millions of downloads, and there are/were thousands of them. One might argue if that is an "infestation", given the much larger number of apps in the store, but it also isn't something that has only happened once or twice.

And when it comes to e.g. games there isn't much of reputation information outside a very small set of hits. No need to download "smut".

Re: Amazon has no idea how to run an app store

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post #16

It's really remarkable how much Amazon's reputation has been self-destructing in the last year or so. Even 6 months ago when I told people I thought Amazon was an all-around shitty company (having worked there) and shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as Google, FB, etc., people looked at me like I was insane. Somehow the stock keeps going up... I don't have any material insider info but just on a hunch I doubt…

Their consumer electronics are getting more popular, which is making people aware of Amazon quality. Right now there's a Fire TV in front of me: - If you can get something for free because it's included in Prime, it still offers the ability to spend money on it, right beside the 'watch now for free'. If you're not paying attention, you can pay for something you already own. - Its killer feature is voice recognition.…

My worst experience with Amazon yet is they've locked the Amazon video Android app from every Android TV device except a few select smart TV vendors and their own Fire TV devices. The result is I can't watch content I paid them for (and would continue paying for) on a device I bought through Amazon (Shield TV). They're treating lackluster Fire devices, which were supposed to be loss leaders to get you into their ecosystem, into privileged, Apple-tier garden walls. Since they lack the Apple polish and simplicity, the result is making customers like me, who are already in the garden, want to leave.

Between this, inscrutable device compatibility of Kindle content, and 2-day delivery becoming unreliable, I'm cancelling Prime after a decade because the value is gone.

BTW, Netflix lacks voice search in all of its apps. Normal Android TV is at least reasonable enough to just bring up the Netflix text search if you try to voice search, rather than kicking you out.

Re: Amazon has no idea how to run an app store

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In fairness, it seems this is true for Apple (broken review process) and Google (malware infestation). Oddly, I haven't heard one horror story about the Windows Phone app store.

What is broken about Apple's review process? Sure it's stringent, but is that not a good thing?

A lot. It's the largest pain point shipping on iOS. More specific details and some suggestions:

http://christian.legnitto.com/blog/2016/01/02/ways-i-would-f...

Re: Amazon has no idea how to run an app store

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post #3

This is perhaps the key bit of silliness: "And this is where we run into the first bit of craziness. Amazon decided that they should model the Alexa app store after the iPhone app store. So there is a certification process to get your app into the store. But think about the difference: you are not uploading a binary file to the Alexa app store, you are simply registering an URL. So Amazon has no real control over you…

Amazon has just as much reason as Apple (or any platform provider) to want to restrict the types of apps that get published. As for the effectiveness of that control, there's little practical difference between "simply registering an URL" and uploading a binary; both can load external content or be modified (in terms of what the user actually sees/experiences) almost entirely after the initial review. There will alwa…

Apple has tools to see whether your app is loading external content and modifying itself, though. I think you can deceive them by making it seem as though it does so in an allowed manner (e.g. no code execution) during review, but they'll definitely know that your app has the theoretical capability.

Re: Amazon has no idea how to run an app store

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The 'app store' is the adulterated form of the Linux package repository. No shock that when you remove community management, accountability, openness, verifiability and add in monetization things get shittier.

Exactly. I can understand uninformed consumers accepting this kind of bullshit because they don't realize it could be so much better. But it boggles my mind that people who have used a real package manager will put up with the exploitative, arbitrary, restrictive app store nonsense and put down real money for copies of software.

So much work in the phone ecosystem goes into trying to tame the beast of closed-source, untrusted, adversarial code trying to show ads, track the user, sell them in-app purchases, and so on. These are all unnecessary complications that a fully open-source phone ecosystem (with no app store, but a real open software ecosystem like Linux) would solve.

Re: Amazon has no idea how to run an app store

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post #3

This is perhaps the key bit of silliness: "And this is where we run into the first bit of craziness. Amazon decided that they should model the Alexa app store after the iPhone app store. So there is a certification process to get your app into the store. But think about the difference: you are not uploading a binary file to the Alexa app store, you are simply registering an URL. So Amazon has no real control over you…

Amazon has just as much reason as Apple (or any platform provider) to want to restrict the types of apps that get published. As for the effectiveness of that control, there's little practical difference between "simply registering an URL" and uploading a binary; both can load external content or be modified (in terms of what the user actually sees/experiences) almost entirely after the initial review. There will alwa…

There's a huge difference. An URL is an absolute black box, a binary that you have to give Apple for certification on each change and that has to call Apple APIs to do anything useful (like network) is not.

Apple will scan your App to check for basic violations, that's all automated. For instance is there a specific flag that you can initialize a socket with to listen in background. This is only allowed if your app is supposed to stream music in background or do some VoIP thing. So if you're app is not that and the software detects you have that flag set anywhere in the code no way you will get it through the certification. There's simply no possibility for such analysis with a URL.

Re: Amazon has no idea how to run an app store

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post #22

It's really remarkable how much Amazon's reputation has been self-destructing in the last year or so. Even 6 months ago when I told people I thought Amazon was an all-around shitty company (having worked there) and shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as Google, FB, etc., people looked at me like I was insane. Somehow the stock keeps going up... I don't have any material insider info but just on a hunch I doubt…

Almost like stock price and reputation among tech people are somehow completely unrelated.

Your stock price is typically inversely proportional to how well you treat your employees (except Google).

Re: Amazon has no idea how to run an app store

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their consumer electronics are getting more popular, which is making people aware of Amazon quality. Right now there's a Fire TV in front of me: - If you can get something for free because it's included in Prime, it still offers the ability to spend money on it, right beside the 'watch now for free'. If you're not paying attention, you can pay for something you already own. - Its killer feature is voice recognition.…

My worst experience with Amazon yet is they've locked the Amazon video Android app from every Android TV device except a few select smart TV vendors and their own Fire TV devices. The result is I can't watch content I paid them for (and would continue paying for) on a device I bought through Amazon (Shield TV). They're treating lackluster Fire devices, which were supposed to be loss leaders to get you into their ecos…

I agree with all of your points except for 2-day delivery becoming unreliable. I don't know where you live but they are still great, if not constantly improving in the Bay Area. Lately whenever I choose 2-day delivery, I end up getting it the next day.
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