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X.Org Might Lose Its Domain Name

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Re: X.Org Might Lose Its Domain Name

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Since not even the X.Org Foundation is particularly attached to X anymore, they could just let it lapse and register wayland.org or something.

Even if they aren't closely tied to the X software package anymore, they are literally called "the X.Org Foundation". Why wouldn't they want to hang on to x.org?

Hell, even if they called themselves something completely different... that'd still be a valuable asset.

Re: X.Org Might Lose Its Domain Name

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No, they're in danger of massive registration headaches because they don't have a clear chain of proof of migration from the LLC (since dissolved) to the 501(c)3 that succeeded it, and they're either not in contact with the person who was the administrative contact when the LLC existed or he's being unhelpful. I'll note that the listing was last updated in 2007, so his name's been on the contact info for 8+ years - p…

They don't need to trademark (verb) X to get a trademark (noun). Registration is a good idea, but failure to register doesn't mean any joe can start using X.org. So long as the organization used the mark in trade (ie sold something and/or took donations) their basic trademark will be protected.

The "(verb)" and "(noun)" actually make it less clear, by the way.

Re: X.Org Might Lose Its Domain Name

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I don't know about Network Solutions, but allowing anyone to renew a domain is not the norm. In some situations, it can even pose legal problems. For instance, a somewhat common resolution to domain trademark disputes is for the owner to pledge to discontinue use of a domain and to allow the domain to expire without renewing or transferring it. If anyone is allowed to renew a domain without needing the owner's permis…

I don't know why anyone would ever use Network Solutions. They have a long history of really shady practices and breaches. I worked info sec for a company that registered their domains through Network Solutions, and someone called in, got a password reset, and took administrative control over the account. Re-routed our domain for several hours, including MX records. Doing that investigation, I found tons of articles…

Given that it's at Network Solutions, I'm surprised they haven't been able to finagle a renewal. Based on the age of the domain, they probably simply never moved the domain to another registrar once the opportunity was available.

Re: X.Org Might Lose Its Domain Name

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> The domain is currently registered in the name of X.Org Foundation LLC, which the foundation dissolved when forming the 501(c)3 organization. How is it even vaguely possible that there's no paperwork assigning all assets of X.Org Foundation LLC to the 501(c)(3)? Where is the lawyer who handled this for them?

There's something odd mentioned right here: http://www.x.org/wiki/BoardOfDirectors/ActionItems/

> We lost 501(c)(3) status because the tax returns for the last 3 years didn't get filed on time. This was a surprise(...)

> Thanks to the SFLC we have re-gained our 501(c)(3) status.

Re: X.Org Might Lose Its Domain Name

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post #20

Since not even the X.Org Foundation is particularly attached to X anymore, they could just let it lapse and register wayland.org or something.

Even if they aren't closely tied to the X software package anymore, they are literally called "the X.Org Foundation". Why wouldn't they want to hang on to x.org?

I quite like the sound of xorg.org. Or perhaps they could rent x.org.org off the chap who currently owns org.org.

Re: X.Org Might Lose Its Domain Name

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know about Network Solutions, but allowing anyone to renew a domain is not the norm. In some situations, it can even pose legal problems. For instance, a somewhat common resolution to domain trademark disputes is for the owner to pledge to discontinue use of a domain and to allow the domain to expire without renewing or transferring it. If anyone is allowed to renew a domain without needing the owner's permis…

Surely the resolution to any trademark conflict would be a domain transfer or not. "Let it lapse and end up with some other random owner" benefits only the lawyers. That said, I can see why some owners may wish to immediately disavow a domain if they consider it to be a legal or reputational risk. In that case, it can simply be transferred to another owner, so I don't see why it would be a problem for anyone to renew…

Transferring a domain costs money (although not much); more importantly, it causes the domain to be renewed for an extra year. If the owner of the trademark doesn't want the domain to exist (e.g, if it's some off-brand use of their mark), having the domain transferred to them is counterproductive.

Re: X.Org Might Lose Its Domain Name

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post #20

Since not even the X.Org Foundation is particularly attached to X anymore, they could just let it lapse and register wayland.org or something.

Even if they aren't closely tied to the X software package anymore, they are literally called "the X.Org Foundation". Why wouldn't they want to hang on to x.org?

The X.Org Foundation was formed for stewardship of X, the window system and its canonical implementation.

Since X is now deprecated tech (the foundation itself even states that Wayland is the future), a name change is perhaps in order.

Re: X.Org Might Lose Its Domain Name

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Surely the resolution to any trademark conflict would be a domain transfer or not. "Let it lapse and end up with some other random owner" benefits only the lawyers. That said, I can see why some owners may wish to immediately disavow a domain if they consider it to be a legal or reputational risk. In that case, it can simply be transferred to another owner, so I don't see why it would be a problem for anyone to renew…

Transferring a domain costs money (although not much); more importantly, it causes the domain to be renewed for an extra year. If the owner of the trademark doesn't want the domain to exist (e.g, if it's some off-brand use of their mark), having the domain transferred to them is counterproductive.

Just trying to understand this. Wouldn't that actually be good? Wouldn't the trademark owner want the domain so they could keep it unassigned? If they let it expire, someone could eventually purchase it and use it for similar purposes. That seems counterproductive to me, not transferring it.

Re: X.Org Might Lose Its Domain Name

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People are queueing up to take over any domain with moderate amount of traffic. Since the expiry time is public, there are lists of soon-expiring domains. This is way worse for a heavy traffic domain, and probably ridiculous for x.org.

You can't register a single-letter .org anymore.

So they are currently grandfathered in, and as soon as the record expires it's a dead domain?

Re: X.Org Might Lose Its Domain Name

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post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don't need to trademark (verb) X to get a trademark (noun). Registration is a good idea, but failure to register doesn't mean any joe can start using X.org. So long as the organization used the mark in trade (ie sold something and/or took donations) their basic trademark will be protected.

The "(verb)" and "(noun)" actually make it less clear, by the way.

The difference is subtle to non-native speakers of European languages. Experience suggests that my girlfriend, for one, would find the gp easier to read with the notations.
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