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We need to start drinking recycled wastewater

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Re: We need to start drinking recycled wastewater

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do rocket scientists have to do with designing water purification systems?

What do rocket scientists have to do with designing water purification systems? On the assumption that you may not be a native speaker of English, I'll mention that here in the United States, at least, the term "rocket scientist" (which some people who work on the International Space Station project literally are) is a synonym for "very smart person." In other words, my statement is that even though the International…

It's really more of an issue of space / weight, it's pretty easy to setup a water recycling system on earth just by using the right soils, plants, etc.

Re: We need to start drinking recycled wastewater

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Sounds like this needs a brand change. "Recycled" kind of implies that there is still something "left behind". Why not call it BluWater or something simple and marketing-like? Follow up with some blah text like "BluWater is the freshest and cleanest water humanity has ever drank! You can get it straight from the taps!"

"Think of H2Flow as an app for your teeth. The more Flow you take in, the more Sparkle Points you get! Get enough Sparkle Points and you're on your way to your first Aqua Badge..."

(Parks and Rec)

Re: We need to start drinking recycled wastewater

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In a way I do. I drink water that comes from a lake that about 1 million people poops into... On the other hand, it's a big lake.

I'm lucky in one way to live in Sweden where there is virtually unlimited fresh water (except in a few places). On the other hand, it doesn't stop people from trying to save water, for no particular reason at all, other than some general climate angst. Water is really cheap - somwhere around 1 EUR per m3, and there are no big lawns that needs water. (And if they do, and it's large, you probably have a lake or a stream within pumping distance nearby.)

It's a bit counterproductive. Old sewer pipes are clogging up because of modern toilets that use very little water, and dishwashers and washing machines should probably be set up to use ten times more water in cold pre-cycles and while rinsing, to be able to save a bit on the warm cycles.

I can add that we probably have one of the best waste treatment facilities in world, so the total volume through the system is more or less irrelevant, except some marginal costs for chemicals and pumping.

But no. EU mandates that saving water is important...

The utility companies are now forced to increase the water rates- typically the fixed component, since the total used volume- and their budget- is shrinking.

Re: We need to start drinking recycled wastewater

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Weird article.

It talks about why toilet-to-tap is technically feasible, but not (specifically) why we "need" to adopt it, let alone whether it's inevitable. In Perth, or anywhere else. (Yes, it mentions general factors. But at no point does it make a logical case to support what it says in its headline).

BTW, a prediction: in the same way that corporations have strenuously (and in some cases, successfully) lobbied for prohibitions on labeling GMO-derived foods as such, or rGBH-derived milk as such -- one day we'll equal if not more energy put into efforts against against labeling toilet-derived drinking water as... exactly what it is.

And I'm sure one day, these efforts will ultimately succeed, also.

Re: We need to start drinking recycled wastewater

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the issues with GMO foods is that we don't actually know for a fact exactly how the changes we make in them work, or what effect they may have in the human body over long periods of time. We just don't know.

As opposed to "naturally" cross-breeding strains and selecting for traits without genetic sequencing? Changes are changes, whether random or induced mutation. I feel better if there's at least one brain inspecting the changes vs throwing dice.

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Re: We need to start drinking recycled wastewater

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Sounds like this needs a brand change. "Recycled" kind of implies that there is still something "left behind". Why not call it BluWater or something simple and marketing-like? Follow up with some blah text like "BluWater is the freshest and cleanest water humanity has ever drank! You can get it straight from the taps!"

“Purified water” or “purified drinking water” is probably the best bet. Sounds neutral and it’s already on water bottle labels.

Re: We need to start drinking recycled wastewater

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> finding that while 49% were willing to try recycled wastewater, 13% refused, and the rest weren't sure. This is the end result of an education system that has not prepared people for the modern world, if we engineer a solution that produces water of a purity greater than water from a reservoir and and half of people are still not sure it is safe to drink then we have a massive problem. For the record: I've no issue…

The same effect is noticed with GMO foods. They're better in all regards, yet there are people who are afraid of them because "not natural". I don't think this has to do with the education system. My friend's father has a terminal illness, and in his attempt to understand and rationalize it, he thought that he did it to himself by leading an "unnatural" lifestyle. The man has a masters in mathematics and owned a soft…

"The same effect is noticed with GMO foods. They're better in all regards, yet there are people who are afraid of them because "not natural"."

No. People are afraid about GMO because they expect private companies incentives not being healthy food but economic benefits (for them).

That means for example, that if they could flood our food plants with "Roundup" because the plants are resistant to it, and the pesticide ends in our food, and we start getting cancers 10 years from now they don't care at all if they can profit now from it.

"sometimes they rest on the idea that natural is better."

Well, natural is usually better because nature had millions of years of adaptation to the environment. You can protect yourself against natural sunlight or natural nuclear radiation because nature created mechanisms against their bad effects, but you can't protect against manmade Pultonium or xrays or cosmic radiation not protected by Ozone.

Day after pill for example contaminates water with estrogens that are not easy(cheap) to filter.

Re: We need to start drinking recycled wastewater

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> finding that while 49% were willing to try recycled wastewater, 13% refused, and the rest weren't sure. This is the end result of an education system that has not prepared people for the modern world, if we engineer a solution that produces water of a purity greater than water from a reservoir and and half of people are still not sure it is safe to drink then we have a massive problem. For the record: I've no issue…

The US government just announced that for the last dozen decades it has been wrong and that cholesterol is not a nutrient of importance; so eat all the eggs you want.

People aren't sure because they aren't equipped to do the science themselves and have a well reasoned distrust of being told things are safe, that then turn out not be (or vice versa).

Re: We need to start drinking recycled wastewater

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> finding that while 49% were willing to try recycled wastewater, 13% refused, and the rest weren't sure. This is the end result of an education system that has not prepared people for the modern world, if we engineer a solution that produces water of a purity greater than water from a reservoir and and half of people are still not sure it is safe to drink then we have a massive problem. For the record: I've no issue…

"This is the end result of an education system that has not prepared people for the modern world, if we engineer a solution that produces water of a purity greater than water from a reservoir and and half of people are still not sure it is safe to drink then we have a massive problem." It has nothing to do with the education system and everything to do with human social evolution and evolutionarily stable strategies.…

> They have a built-in, knee-jerk revulsion to drinking anything that came from sewage. That might not be rational or useful in 2016, but it has been tremendously useful over the past hundred thousand years of human social evolution.

That's not necessarily true. First-world capitalist society focused on intellectual labor does a great job of mentally dividing the world into 'clean' and 'unclean', where everything unclean moves invisibly through a series of subterranean pipes.

If you go to any farm, this division is much more vague. Farmers dump horse manure onto soil, from which your vegetables grow. Bruised and almost-rotting apples are picked, crushed, and pressed to create apple cider. Milk comes from the teats of a cow into a tin pail that might have some bits of hay that are later strained out.

The notion that humans have "built-in, knee-jerk revulsion" to sewage is a trained behavior arising from an ignorance or a visceral distance from production processes.

Many humans also probably have "built-in, knee-jerk revulsion" to the sight of animals being slaughtered, with their blood draining into a pool, yet will happily devour a plate of barbecue. Why would we consider that recycled water from sewage would be any different?

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