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Re: Valuing time over money is associated with greater happiness

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post #103

I searched for the phrase "diminishing marginal returns" but could not find it in the article which seems like a bit of an omission. This is a fundamental economic concept - the more of something you have, the less value you derive from each incremental unit. So, based on personal preferences, once you reach a certain level of income you will start to substitute away from labor (income) towards leisure/free time (non…

Yup. If you look at table 3, which is a study of the museum going group, you can actually see that SWB (subjective well being) is mostly correlated with household income and material affluence. However in table 3a, we can see that SWB is negatively correlated with material striving. In other words, people who are concentrated on making money are the people who don't have money and are also unhappy. People who value t…

Which happens to correspond with an old saying:

"Money doesn't make you happy, but lack of money does make you unhappy."

Re: Valuing time over money is associated with greater happiness

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post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could just as well say that the cent that buys you a soda has a bigger marginal utility than the previous one. Sure, maybe in the context of that one transaction, but not in any general way.

Except that paying off your proximate debt and securing a place to live is far more important, from a Maslow sense, than buying a soda?

Depends, are you thirsty?

Re: Valuing time over money is associated with greater happiness

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Right. I spend less than half of my income on neccessities (food, rent, etc. -- this I split with my partner) and recently I've found myself telling people that time is my most limited resource. So in the past couple of years I've been very conscious about allocating my free time.

When I quit may last job I wanted to trade the notice period with unpaid vacation, but it was no-go. :(

Re: Valuing time over money is associated with greater happiness

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I wonder if this is behind the greater happiness of people with incomes over 75K per year. They actually have enough money to pay for goods and services that save them time.

> They actually have enough money to pay for goods and services that save them time.

I think you are missing the point. There isn't a magical device the upper classes buy that saves then time (maybe this is the case for poorer people, e.g. having a washing machine is quicker than washing clothes by hand), but once you earn so much, get comfortable and achieve your own level of success, you start to value things other than money.

I assume the $75k refers to somewhere where you can afford the mortgage on a nice house, a car or two, eating out a few times a week, and saving for your children's college fund, etc (i.e. all the material things society says we need). Once you are able to afford all that maybe you start to value the time you spend with your children, so spending an extra hour communiting to get $10k more isn't worth it.

Re: Valuing time over money is associated with greater happiness

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I've shunned founding startups or working at startups for the last ~3 years, and instead worked 15-20 hr/wk usually remotely. Time is your greatest asset, personally and professionally. It's how you stay abreast of the great opportunities of our time. You need that freedom to explore things that pique your interest or move you. Founding a startup means becoming mostly blind to the other great opportunities, which is…

From where I stand, it looks like you have your numbers backward. The reason you start a startup is so that you can work those 15-20 hour weeks (or less) without anybody giving you grief about it. Shipping software works just fine on a few hours a weeks. Maybe a quick burst up front to get v1 out the door, but then you can ramp it down as far as you want to go. I've gone entire months without opening the IDE for some…

> The reason you start a startup is so that you can work those 15-20 hour weeks (or less)

I'm pretty sure any startup in the bay area is a counter example of your argument.

Re: Valuing time over money is associated with greater happiness

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post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

small unrepresentative sample size. a problem many studies have issues with.

I agree with the unrepresentative part, but absolute sample size numbers don't tell you anything. For some experiments, N=100 is more than enough, and for others N=10000 isn't even close. Did you look at the p-values or any other confidence measurements?

Statistically, doesn't a sample size of 2000 get you pretty close to +/- a 5% margin of error?

Re: Valuing time over money is associated with greater happiness

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I've shunned founding startups or working at startups for the last ~3 years, and instead worked 15-20 hr/wk usually remotely. Time is your greatest asset, personally and professionally. It's how you stay abreast of the great opportunities of our time. You need that freedom to explore things that pique your interest or move you. Founding a startup means becoming mostly blind to the other great opportunities, which is…

Weird stance. Startups are not really about money. They are about greater risk. For a startup founder it is not unusual to spend a lot of time, and still make zero money. And it is also possible to spend only couple of years, and make so much money that you can leisurely work for couple of days a month, and go surfing for the rest of the month. And do that same thing for the rest of your life. As an employee you will…

If I'm not mistaken parent is talking about 'working for a startup' that IMHO isn't as risky as 'co-founding' the startup, which of-course has its whistle bells. Why would a 10th employee join a startup for the risk and not for the money ?

Re: Valuing time over money is associated with greater happiness

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post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>"diminishing marginal returns" I came to a different conclusion. The wealth of time (total man-hours or aggregated lifespans) is more evenly distributed across a population than is the wealth of money. Therefore, to the extent that happiness is influenced by comparing how well-off you are vs others, a person picked at random will be pretty damn close to the same standing as whoever is the Time-Richest Person in the…

A wealthy person is much more likely to be time-rich than a poor person, though.

I'm sure I've read that this has changed in recent decades, the poor are now time rich whilst the rich are working much longer hours.

Re: Valuing time over money is associated with greater happiness

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post #58

Study 1: "Students participated in exchange for the chance to win one of three prizes valued at $700." Study 2a: "Two hundred and sixty UBC students participated in exchange for entry into a lottery or for course credit (78% female)" Study 2b: "In Study 2b, 518 adults were recruited from a science museum in Vancouver, Canada" Study 3a: "In Study 3a, 242 UBC students participated in exchange for course credit or candy…

Whenever I see "in a study of N people..." I translate that to be "in a study of N university students..."

I noticed this a lot when reading through studies on visual working memory for a paper. In one, the participants were the two lead authors and the grad students in their lab.
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