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Ask HN: Should I accept a CTO position without much experience?

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Re: Ask HN: Should I accept a CTO position without much experience?

#41

I apologize if the following comes off as harsh, but it comes from experience, not malice. Where can I find people like you who will work for free on the promise of future money dependent on a roll of the die which is funding? Please tell me. I'll take one CTO, 2 senior devs, and 4 junior devs. Here's the deal. I don't know your situation, but you are basically saying that your time is worth $0. That might be true or…

"Additionally, if the company gets funded, the very first thing that will happen is you will be fired or otherwise relieved of your position and they will hire an experienced CTO who will be paid a lot of money. This is the smart money move for them and a pat on the back for a job well done is all you will be likely to get." If that was the situation (and I agree, potentially likely) - but yet still an option for him…

No. I try not to be so absolute online, but, No.

The contract can be ignored. How's he going to fight it? He's been working for free and he's broke. He has more important things to worry about like eating. So a crappy lawyer takes his case on a 30% contingency. It's still an uphill road until he might somehow get something.

Never work for free.

Re: Ask HN: Should I accept a CTO position without much experience?

#42

> But this looks like a way too big jump for me. What if I fail? What if the startup fails because of me? Yes accept! Use that fear of failure to tap into your drive, creativity, and bring your A game. Business/Tech Management/Leadership are ALL learned and practiced things. Money should NOT be an issue-- go to back to your boss. Share with him your bare bones monthly budget. Tell him you need $X just to eat beans &…

This is absolutely terrible advice. The OP could be making six figures at a real job, not "beans and rice" money at a position that will be taken from him as soon as the company is funded.

Re: Ask HN: Should I accept a CTO position without much experience?

#43
post #42

> But this looks like a way too big jump for me. What if I fail? What if the startup fails because of me? Yes accept! Use that fear of failure to tap into your drive, creativity, and bring your A game. Business/Tech Management/Leadership are ALL learned and practiced things. Money should NOT be an issue-- go to back to your boss. Share with him your bare bones monthly budget. Tell him you need $X just to eat beans &…

This is absolutely terrible advice. The OP could be making six figures at a real job, not "beans and rice" money at a position that will be taken from him as soon as the company is funded.

Focusing on "real job" compensation is myopic thinking.

The promise of any startup is the potential reward on the Back-End (not to mention incomparable experience). Any bootstapper understands the beans & rice context, especially in the pre-revenue/pre-funding stage. It's never a permanent condition.

Re: Ask HN: Should I accept a CTO position without much experience?

#45
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you are not getting paid, but they are? Are you getting some substantial equity?

They would get paid as soon as I start getting paid. Another reason to do our best to get funded fast. Yeah, good equity, nothing confirmed yet though.

Do you aspire to the be the boss of of unpaid employees?

Re: Ask HN: Should I accept a CTO position without much experience?

#46
Sure go for it. You don't quite know what you want, so take the challenge and learn. Just negotiate fair compensation. Despite what all the commenters are saying, zero salary can be fine if you can make it work...

But it means absolutely that you become a cofounder (> 10% equity). Anything less and you're getting played.

Re: Ask HN: Should I accept a CTO position without much experience?

#47
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They would get paid as soon as I start getting paid. Another reason to do our best to get funded fast. Yeah, good equity, nothing confirmed yet though.

Do you aspire to the be the boss of of unpaid employees?

I don't think anybody aspires to that. That's why our main focus would be to get funded so that everybody can get a salary as soon as possible.

Re: Ask HN: Should I accept a CTO position without much experience?

#48
> I really was looking for a stable job, just to get more experience, save some money and eventually become an entrepreneur and create my own company.

I agree what others have written so I'll just add this. In my experience, you'll be happier following your own path rather than waking up one day and realising you've been following someone else's path. If that's what you're really looking for, then that should be a strong indication of what to do.

Re: Ask HN: Should I accept a CTO position without much experience?

#49
post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is absolutely terrible advice. The OP could be making six figures at a real job, not "beans and rice" money at a position that will be taken from him as soon as the company is funded.

Focusing on "real job" compensation is myopic thinking. The promise of any startup is the potential reward on the Back-End (not to mention incomparable experience). Any bootstapper understands the beans & rice context, especially in the pre-revenue/pre-funding stage. It's never a permanent condition.

You can use the stock and salary you get working for a megacorp to invest in a startup if you want. That seems like a smarter way to gamble on startup success than with your time.

https://michaelochurch.wordpress.com/2012/07/08/dont-waste-y...

Re: Ask HN: Should I accept a CTO position without much experience?

#50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Additionally, if the company gets funded, the very first thing that will happen is you will be fired or otherwise relieved of your position and they will hire an experienced CTO who will be paid a lot of money. This is the smart money move for them and a pat on the back for a job well done is all you will be likely to get." If that was the situation (and I agree, potentially likely) - but yet still an option for him…

No. I try not to be so absolute online, but, No. The contract can be ignored. How's he going to fight it? He's been working for free and he's broke. He has more important things to worry about like eating. So a crappy lawyer takes his case on a 30% contingency. It's still an uphill road until he might somehow get something. Never work for free.

My last interns had a salary of 13€/hr gross (I´m based in Munich). Working 20 hrs a week is enough to pay the rent and buy beer. In the remaining 20 hrs you could still be the unpaid CTO/CFO/CEO of any startup.
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