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The internet has made defensive writers of us all

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Re: The internet has made defensive writers of us all

#51

It's sort of tangential, but knowing anything I write can be found by Googling my real name has certainly made me write defensively. It's why my main Twitter account is not public.

>knowing anything I write can be found by Googling my real name has certainly made me write defensively

Which is one reason many people prefer anonymity and pseudonyms!

Nothing about me can be found by Googling my real name. As far as the internet is concerned - I don't actually exist.

Re: The internet has made defensive writers of us all

#52

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It sounds like you're saying it's fine to be racist against whites, but offensive to do the same thing to your personal "in-group." Little ironic, lol.

You're doing the exact thing that WalterBright complained about above ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10859674 ). Of course that is not what the poster meant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person_of_color

He thinks I'm racist for quoting wikipedia. I've met people like him at work. Overly sensitive people is exactly why I don't want to write about race issues.

Re: The internet has made defensive writers of us all

#53

I feel compelled to write about race issues because I am a person of color. The issues directly impact my life. But I'm afraid because readers might be pissed off enough to get me fired. :/

And that sucks. We need you to share your experiences. We need to feel your struggles and understand them well enough to identify with them, and really internalize, "what if that were me?"

When that happens, most of us respond with empathy and because we understand, support and activism to make it better and have one another's backs.

Progress happens, and things get better. I believe in all of that deeply. I've paid hard to stand for it too. More than once.

Some of us respond with rage, hate, and all manner of emotions, and that sucks. It's not like any of us actually picks these things, so how does it make any real sense to be held to account for them? (Color, gender, gay, etc...)

It is, like you say, a contact sport with very real implications for us all. To me, that contact is good. It helps to understand others and it can help to keep the worst in check for fear of consequences too.

But there is a lot of difficulty in that quiet response one just can't quite pin down... fired one day, for example.

I'm an ordinary white guy, and I've had this sort of thing happen when I've gone to bat for someone who needed it.

Making things better is expensive in this way, and I'm not entirely sure we can avoid it. We may blunt it some, but people remain exposed all the same.

I understand your fear. It has a real basis and all of us must weigh these things. At some points in life, maybe we can take the hit. At others, it may cost too much.

I don't have answers, other than to say there are a lot of us who get it.

Re: The internet has made defensive writers of us all

#54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're doing the exact thing that WalterBright complained about above ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10859674 ). Of course that is not what the poster meant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person_of_color He thinks I'm racist for quoting wikipedia. I've met people like him at work. Overly sensitive people is exactly why I don't want to write about race issues.

>He thinks I'm racist for quoting wikipedia.

I mean, I think you buy into and identify with a concept that is explicitly, by definition anti-white..

Is that not racist?

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>This is exactly why I don't want to write about race issues.

Because everyone needs to agree with you about them 100%?

Re: The internet has made defensive writers of us all

#55

In regards to hedges and weasel words: I never used more weasel words and hedges than when I sold computers at Circuit City. I knew what the policies should be and how we should be able to help customers, but I had no power to actually make that happen so I used tons of should, may, probably, likely, etc. I hated it and it took me a while to unlearn that way of talking.

I use a lot of what are called weasel words because the reality is that they are the most accurate words. For example, someone buying a lottery ticket will probably lose. I have trouble saying they definitely will because I know there is a slim chance they will win. And if 1 in a 100,000,000+ is enough to make me avoid saying definitely, imagine what chances such as 1 in a 1,000 or 1 in a 100 do to my word choice.

Re: The internet has made defensive writers of us all

#56

I feel compelled to write about race issues because I am a person of color. The issues directly impact my life. But I'm afraid because readers might be pissed off enough to get me fired. :/

Colored person here as well. I'd advise you to discuss these matters under an assumed name. Discussing them on a public forum (such as a company blog) is generally a bad idea (if you want to keep your job). Of course you can go full militant but you have to understand the risks. Personally, I need to pay the bills right now, but as soon as I accumulate some F * U money, it's on :)

I can pay off my mortgage in 5 years. After that, it's on! :)

Re: The internet has made defensive writers of us all

#57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sounds like you're saying it's fine to be racist against whites, but offensive to do the same thing to your personal "in-group." Little ironic, lol.

You're doing the exact thing that WalterBright complained about above ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10859674 ). Of course that is not what the poster meant.

If I wanted to take it super literally, I'd ask why Pink people aren't considered "People of Color." ;)

Re: The internet has made defensive writers of us all

#58

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Yes, I am a person of color. The dictionary definition of people of color is any non whites. Edit: There is a long explanation of why Asians are sometimes excluded. The short answer is racism against Asians.

It sounds like you're saying it's fine to be racist against whites, but offensive to do the same thing to your personal "in-group." Little ironic, lol.

Often, when people are referring to racism, they're referring specifically to Institutional racism. As a general rule (because everything is naturally full of gray areas) it's considered to be impossible for whites to experience institutional racism in countries where we're the majority. So while a PoC could certainly be bigoted against whites, it wouldn't be accurate to say that they're inflicting institutional racism on them.

Re: The internet has made defensive writers of us all

#59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person_of_color He thinks I'm racist for quoting wikipedia. I've met people like him at work. Overly sensitive people is exactly why I don't want to write about race issues.

>He thinks I'm racist for quoting wikipedia. I mean, I think you buy into and identify with a concept that is explicitly, by definition anti-white.. Is that not racist? -- >This is exactly why I don't want to write about race issues. Because everyone needs to agree with you about them 100%?

I can't be racist because my girlfriend is white. :P

Re: The internet has made defensive writers of us all

#60
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One of the common methods people use to attack posts with ideas they don't agree with is to take the prose literally. This is much like the "work to rule" form of protest that unions use, and the "letter of the law" rather than the spirit of it, and of course all those "zero tolerance" policies.

For which the Principle Of Charity was created: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity

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