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Microsoft’s Cortana Gets Baked into Cyanogen’s Forked Version of Android

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Re: Microsoft’s Cortana Gets Baked into Cyanogen’s Forked Version of Android

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Post by JustSomeNobody »

eckza wrote: post #18
herbst wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AOKP, if that is what you want AOKP was always the actually right choice.

And what phone can I put it on without irreversibly voiding my warranty? I tried Android a few years ago on an LG G2. Rooting to install CyanogenMod was an EXTREMELY STRESSFUL EXPERIENCE; and flashing back to stock to return the fucking thing every time it broke (every other month) was even more stressful. I'm on an iPhone now because it works well and doesn't shit out every 5 minutes like my G2 did, but I'm becoming…

Interesting. I have an LG-G2 and it's been a really nice phone. In fact I see no reason to buy anything else for now. IE: Nothing that has come out recently has made me even think about getting rid of my G2.

I have an iPhone 6 for work (work issued). It's pretty nice too.

Re: Microsoft’s Cortana Gets Baked into Cyanogen’s Forked Version of Android

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Post by Maarten88 »

eitally wrote: post #7
digital_ins wrote: post #2

I've used Cortana and apart from a little minor anthromorphic work to give her a 'personality' (like Siri), I wouldn't say that it's too far ahead of Google Now in terms of features and functionality. Baking Cortana into Cyanogen OS seems a little like overkill in terms of deviating from Google's version of Android

I agree completely. I don't see any justification for doing this, and it just further confuses and adds complexity to the user experience. MS/Cortana will never be able to offer as deep integrations across Android as Google does with Now, and that gap's only going to continue to grow as more 3rd party devs create Now cards and Now intents within their apps. I don't see that happening at all with Cortana.

I'm using an Android Phone with mostly Microsoft apps: Outlook, OneDrive, Skype, OneNote, Account App, Health, Excel, Word. For me Cortana integrates better compared to Google Now, as it can access my information.

Re: Microsoft’s Cortana Gets Baked into Cyanogen’s Forked Version of Android

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Post by wolfgke »

JustSomeNobody wrote: post #19
dyladan wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not really "stealing" but you could theoretically fork it and gain enough market share on your fork that your version becomes what people think of when you say Android.

But, Google open sourced it so they're cool with that. I still don't see the issue here.

Allowing forking (by the license) does not mean that Google likes forking.

Re: Microsoft’s Cortana Gets Baked into Cyanogen’s Forked Version of Android

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Post by frik »

RyanZAG wrote: post #3

Hang on, wasn't the whole point of Cyanogen about removing bloatware in standard Android distributions and adding more privacy measures? How can adding a large app that sends data to Microsoft help with bloatware or security..? I've used Cyanogen a little before on certain Android devices that had tons of built in bloat and themes to slim it down a bit. I definitely wouldn't want to swap one type of bloat for another…

Microsoft literally bought the company behind Cyanogen mod. Why would Microsoft do that? Now we know it. Shady tactics. Don't use Cyanogen OS.

"CyanogenMod Dumped by Major Partner Shortly After Funding From Microsoft Revealed": http://techrights.org/2015/02/02/ms-cm-cyanogenmod/

  -> Summary: Now that Cyanogen acts more like a Microsoft   
     attack dog than a real independent entity there is 
     backlash from many and OnePlus dumps CyanogenMod*
"​Cyanogen Announces Strategic Partnership with Microsoft": https://cyngn.com/press/cyanogen-announces-strategic-partner...,

"5 things Microsoft's Android-powered CyanogenMod Lumia needs for success": http://betanews.com/2015/01/29/5-things-microsofts-android-p...

"Cyanogen announces partnership with Microsoft that will bundle their apps on Cyanogen OS": http://phandroid.com/2015/04/16/cyanogen-microsoft-partnersh...

Re: Microsoft’s Cortana Gets Baked into Cyanogen’s Forked Version of Android

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Post by runjake »

To clarify a lot of the misinformation in the comments:

* To my knowledge, Microsoft doesn't own Cyanogen.

* The genesis of this is old (public) news: https://cyngn.com/press/cyanogen-announces-strategic-partner...

* Cyanogen OS != Cyanogenmod. Cyanogen OS is a commercial OS. Cyanogenmod is an open source, community-driven OS.

Re: Microsoft’s Cortana Gets Baked into Cyanogen’s Forked Version of Android

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Post by Infinitesimus »

frik wrote: post #24
RyanZAG wrote: post #3

Hang on, wasn't the whole point of Cyanogen about removing bloatware in standard Android distributions and adding more privacy measures? How can adding a large app that sends data to Microsoft help with bloatware or security..? I've used Cyanogen a little before on certain Android devices that had tons of built in bloat and themes to slim it down a bit. I definitely wouldn't want to swap one type of bloat for another…

Microsoft literally bought the company behind Cyanogen mod. Why would Microsoft do that? Now we know it. Shady tactics. Don't use Cyanogen OS. "CyanogenMod Dumped by Major Partner Shortly After Funding From Microsoft Revealed": http://techrights.org/2015/02/02/ms-cm-cyanogenmod/ -> Summary: Now that Cyanogen acts more like a Microsoft attack dog than a real independent entity there is backlash from many and OnePlus d…

Microsoft doesn't own the company, Cyanogen Inc is venture funded presently

Re: Microsoft’s Cortana Gets Baked into Cyanogen’s Forked Version of Android

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Post by eckza »

JustSomeNobody wrote: post #21
eckza wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And what phone can I put it on without irreversibly voiding my warranty? I tried Android a few years ago on an LG G2. Rooting to install CyanogenMod was an EXTREMELY STRESSFUL EXPERIENCE; and flashing back to stock to return the fucking thing every time it broke (every other month) was even more stressful. I'm on an iPhone now because it works well and doesn't shit out every 5 minutes like my G2 did, but I'm becoming…

Interesting. I have an LG-G2 and it's been a really nice phone. In fact I see no reason to buy anything else for now. IE: Nothing that has come out recently has made me even think about getting rid of my G2. I have an iPhone 6 for work (work issued). It's pretty nice too.

The headphone jack on mine broke every 5-6 weeks, period - no matter how careful or ginger I was with it. I used it in the same exact way that I've used every other phone or MP3 player that I've ever had, and it just couldn't hang together. It was really disappointing... I really wanted it to work for me. :(

I'm really glad that you haven't had that experience!

Re: Microsoft’s Cortana Gets Baked into Cyanogen’s Forked Version of Android

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Post by eckza »

herbst wrote: post #20
eckza wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And what phone can I put it on without irreversibly voiding my warranty? I tried Android a few years ago on an LG G2. Rooting to install CyanogenMod was an EXTREMELY STRESSFUL EXPERIENCE; and flashing back to stock to return the fucking thing every time it broke (every other month) was even more stressful. I'm on an iPhone now because it works well and doesn't shit out every 5 minutes like my G2 did, but I'm becoming…

I see your issue, its the choice of phone actually. Also if a lot of people don't want to hear that, but if you plan to actually use your phone there are not that many android devices to actually choose from. I have a G3 currently and it also sucks, before that i always had Nexus phones and with them everything worked perfectly without any issues all the time. Non locked, easy to root, many tutorials and many helping…

When I went to buy a Nexus, they weren't available on Verizon, so I went for the LG G2.

They are available on Verizon now though, it seems. It might be worth a look.

Thanks for the info.

Re: Microsoft’s Cortana Gets Baked into Cyanogen’s Forked Version of Android

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

JustSomeNobody wrote: post #15
jeremy7600 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had a good laugh reading the article about how Cyanogen is trying to steal Android from Google, as well. Too funny!

How can anyone steal an open source OS?

While Android is 'technically' open source, from a practical sense, it is not. It's primarily controlled by the Google MADA agreement, which is how Google dictates terms to OEMs. OEMs have very little ability to negotiate this agreement, and they have almost no alternative to accepting it.

If Microsoft was able to present a viable alternative, such that manufacturers could choose to use Microsoft's flavor of Android over Google's, it'd effectively wrestle control of Android away from Google, because Google would no longer be able to impose such strong terms over access to things like the Play Store.

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