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Facebook's “free internet” programme hits a roadblock in India

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Re: Facebook's “free internet” programme hits a roadblock in India

#101

Rich people limiting poor peoples options, again. It's much better they eat cake, than this "free internet"

More like rich people preventing a richer person from force feeding the poor with what makes him the most money. Exactly like Nestlé giving baby formula for the first few days for free in poor african countries so that they become dependent on it.

Re: Facebook's “free internet” programme hits a roadblock in India

#102

Personally, I believe Zuckerberg is sincere in wanting to connect everyone in the world with each other. However, I believe he is also sincere in thinking that Facebook is the best and perhaps only platform by which this is possible. In this he is sincerely mistaken. I feel sure he doesn't think of it as a land grab, even privately. But he is looking from the inside out. If he wants to be seen as the Great Connector,…

Personally, I believe Zuckerberg is sincere in wanting to connect everyone in the world with each other. Agreed. Given what we know about his history, he also seems to think that most people just aren't nearly as smart as he is... and so it's best not to confuse them, with you know, choices . And that the fact that everything they say and do within his realm is relentlessly indexed, analyzed (with literally the most…

Umm... free internet/basics/walled garden is an additional choice... Not sure how free basics reduces choice.

Re: Facebook's “free internet” programme hits a roadblock in India

#103

Personally, I believe Zuckerberg is sincere in wanting to connect everyone in the world with each other. However, I believe he is also sincere in thinking that Facebook is the best and perhaps only platform by which this is possible. In this he is sincerely mistaken. I feel sure he doesn't think of it as a land grab, even privately. But he is looking from the inside out. If he wants to be seen as the Great Connector,…

I think there's another motive at play, he's using 3rd-world countries as a proving ground for tiered Internet access. Facebook has already come out against net neutrality, and has billions of dollars to play with. Wouldn't it make sense for them to want to test their theories that have been shot down in their own country? Zuckerberg might be ostensibly altruistic about his lofty goal of bringing Internet access to e…

Even if there were only one package of internet available globally there would still be tiered internet, you can pay for that one package, or you can not pay for it.

The only way we'd have universal untiered internet is if there was some sort of government fee / tax that you just had to pay to get internet and that was your only option.

Everyone has vastly different (tiered) internet experiences, for example the internet on my phone is faster than the internet on my desktop when uploading.

On my phone I pay for additional data use on my desktop I don't.

Re: Facebook's “free internet” programme hits a roadblock in India

#105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft was in a class by themselves in terms of how their ruthlessness played out. Harsh negotiation demands plus technical bullshit like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AARD_code I haven't heard stories like this about Facebook, but perhaps they're better at covering their tracks.

Walmart was in the same class

I'm sure you're right, but I'm curious -- in what ways?

Re: Facebook's “free internet” programme hits a roadblock in India

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post #30

Personally, I believe Zuckerberg is sincere in wanting to connect everyone in the world with each other. However, I believe he is also sincere in thinking that Facebook is the best and perhaps only platform by which this is possible. In this he is sincerely mistaken. I feel sure he doesn't think of it as a land grab, even privately. But he is looking from the inside out. If he wants to be seen as the Great Connector,…

Oh come on, this is a guy who poorly disguises a press release about a restructuring of his finances as a letter to his daughter. It's much more likely that Zuckerberg realizes his company is overvalued, and that he needs to acquire a massive amount of users to make up for that gap. Subsidizing a walled-garden version of the Internet where users can only use Facebook in developing countries makes strategic sense for…

How is not necessarily a bad thing? In what way could it possibly be a good thing for anybody outside of Facebook?

Re: Facebook's “free internet” programme hits a roadblock in India

#107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft was in a class by themselves in terms of how their ruthlessness played out. Harsh negotiation demands plus technical bullshit like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AARD_code I haven't heard stories like this about Facebook, but perhaps they're better at covering their tracks.

Walmart was in the same class

All successful companies are part of the class, visible or not.

Re: Facebook's “free internet” programme hits a roadblock in India

#108
post #53

There is a remarkable disconnect between the critics and the users here. Note that no users were cited in the article. I understand not liking Facebook’s motives, that’s fine. Perhaps we can defer to the preferences of users here, who can choose to accept those motives or not, and to decide if the trade-off is an acceptable one. If we believe that they are unqualified to make this choice, one should explain that posi…

How is a poor Indian citizen supposed to make a judgment on if having a locked down Internet where they can only use Facebook is better than this Internet they might not have even heard of with millions of websites? They only see one side of this argument if any at all. From their perspective they do not know alternatives even exist .

"How is a poor American citizen supposed to make a judgment on if having a locked down Internet where they can only use AOL is better than this Internet they might not have even heard of with millions of websites? They only see one side of this argument if any at all. From their perspective they do not know alternatives even exist."

1999 called and wants it's keywords back...

Re: Facebook's “free internet” programme hits a roadblock in India

#109
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Personally, I believe Zuckerberg is sincere in wanting to connect everyone in the world with each other. >I feel sure he doesn't think of it as a land grab, even privately. why?

I can't speak for op but I agree with them and can explain why I feel that way. I believe most humans are inherently not evil even if they don't agree with me. They want to make the world a better place, and they are simply pursuing an agenda that accomplishes that in their eyes. I don't have any evidence that most people aren't evil, but in my day to day interactions I have yet to meet someone who I believe is since…

I don't know about "evil", but I've met many people that could be described as sociopaths, especially in the VC realm in SV. They will lie, cheat, and steal from you without batting an eye, and smile and shake your hand the next day. It's not far fetched to believe that Zuckerburg, who is tight with that circle, could also exhibit the same behavior. I found the selfish attitudes of those around me rubbing off on me, especially when it felt like morals and ethics were holding me back as a business founder. But I also felt it was making me ill, both psychologically and physically, and decided to pull back from that degradation.

Re: Facebook's “free internet” programme hits a roadblock in India

#110

Personally, I believe Zuckerberg is sincere in wanting to connect everyone in the world with each other. However, I believe he is also sincere in thinking that Facebook is the best and perhaps only platform by which this is possible. In this he is sincerely mistaken. I feel sure he doesn't think of it as a land grab, even privately. But he is looking from the inside out. If he wants to be seen as the Great Connector,…

He is sincere in making FB the internet. Those are never noble intentions. He is all for the money rather than actually giving a service for the greater good. I am sure he realizes that.

If he was sincere, he would have been truthful rather than using every kind of fallacy from https://signposts02.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/logical-fall....

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