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SF Yellow Cab to file for bankruptcy

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Re: SF Yellow Cab to file for bankruptcy

#92

Too bad, so sad... If they hadn't allowed their service to get so horrible, with nasty old cars, drivers that don't speak English and drive around in circles to increase fares, drivers claiming their card readers are "broken" so you have to pay cash, taking an hour to show up when called, passing by black people, etc., then this wouldn't be happening. From the article: "Cab drivers, on the other hand, maintain that t…

I've never had any of these experiences when riding in cabs. The cars were always ok, the drivers were polite and well spoken, they took direct routes and never demanded cash.

I use Uber for one simple reason: It's 30% cheaper than a cab. It isn't the quality of the cars, the personality of the drivers or the nature of the service. All of those things vary from case to case for every transportation service. Uber's only compelling feature is their lower price.

From what I understand, the average Uber driver makes very little money, < $9/hr after Uber's fees and vehicle maintenance costs. And the low customer prices are effectively being subsidized by venture capital money. How long can this last? Could this be another Groupon situation, where the Ponzi scheme doesn't fall apart until after Uber's IPO?

Re: SF Yellow Cab to file for bankruptcy

#93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your use of "unions" causes the reader to assume you mean "labor unions", which is why your original comment is gray.

My original comment is gray because most people don't want to admit that unions cause inefficiency and bloat. I think people on HN are smarter than that.

It really isn't.

It's because "the unions" is colloquial shorthand for "labor unions" which, whatever their plusses and minuses might be, are a very different concept than `taxi unions'

Because of this muddled terminology (and probably because suggesting a single source here is obvious oversimplification) you sound like you don't know what you are talking about and are just typing a screed. Hence the downvotes.

I think you are smarter than that, and can find a more articulate approach.

Re: SF Yellow Cab to file for bankruptcy

#94
This is not surprising at all.

Traveling around the world, cab drivers are often times some of my favorite people. I like the profession, generally finding cab drivers to be interesting and knowledgeable of local areas. In San Francisco, I try to take regular cabs when I can just to meet people and support the old profession and working class folks.

Bay Area, about a week ago. It was dark, cold, and raining around 5:30pm. Myself and the wife, who is at term and therefore obviously pregnant, got off at the train station and attempted to take a cab to alleviate the few minute wait in the rain for a Lyft or Uber.

I didn't have any cash. I know by now that you have to ask if they take credit card ahead of time; fine.

Me: "Hi, do you take credit card?"

Them: "No, no credit card. It's broken."

Me: "You've got stickers on your window that say you take them?"

Them: "Well, how far are you going?"

Me: "No thanks, I'll try the next one.

Me: "Hello, do you take credit card?"

Them: "Maybe. Where are you going? Minimum 15 dollar."

I know that it's about 12 dollars to my house. I tell him where we're going, and he just shakes his head.

Me: "Fine, screw it. I'll just get a Lyft."

I pulled out my phone, standing in front of a line of Taxis, and got a Lyft. About 6-8 minutes later, they picked us up, and took us on our way.

An entire line of cab drivers, my pregnant wife and I standing there in the rain and cold, and not a single one of them trying to actually take the fare.

During the 15 minutes or so of this interaction, and us waiting for Lyft, not a single cab was taken by the very strong flow of people leaving the train station at rush hour. Lots of pickups from friends and family. Plenty of Uber cars. Pink mustaches in quite a few windshields.

It was like something out of a movie. An entire line of real people, sitting there in their cars, often complaining about a lack of business, or how times have changed, or how insurance is X, or Uber is Y.

Not a single one with enough gumption to step up to the plate, smile, and say: "Where to mister?"

Re: SF Yellow Cab to file for bankruptcy

#95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you think we should shut down the oil companies and agriculture companies and all the large banks?

> oil companies Yes. They've known about their products causing climate change for decades. They should be liquidated. > agriculture companies Some, not all. > and all the large banks Only the ones that are "too big to fail" or those engaged in illegal activities.

So... who provides the energy that makes our lifestyle possible is this magical world of yours?

Re: SF Yellow Cab to file for bankruptcy

#96
The first and last yellow cab I took in San Francisco: the driver didn't know where the Presidio was, took us somewhere completely different, and then argued with us for a solid five minutes insisting we'd given him the wrong address (we hadn't, multiple times, with the zip code, explaining that it was near the Golden Gate bridge). The driver had a GPS unit in the car. I couldn't even get angry; brain was already saturated with amazement.

Re: SF Yellow Cab to file for bankruptcy

#97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have had a SF cab driver input the wrong address in GPS and start driving the entirely wrong direction, so it is pretty good to have a driver that knows the city. Hilariously though, this clueless driver wasn't a Uber/Lyft driver, but a traditional taxi cab driver!

The problem there is that the driver had to manually input the address. With Uber/Lyft, that problem doesn't exist, because you input the address into your phone's app, and that's relayed to the driver's phone and automatically used to route them. Any time you have humans entering data, you're bound to have problems like this.

> you input the address into your phone's app

> ...

> Any time you have humans entering data, you're bound to have problems like this

So no matter what there will be problems like this?

Re: SF Yellow Cab to file for bankruptcy

#98
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What's it like to ride in a SF taxi? I'm not a frequent taxi user, but last time I rode in an NYC cab, the partition made me feel like I was going to jail and the advertising screen made me feel like I was riding public transportation. No doubt the normal private cars are more comfortable.

The taxis themselves are basically fine. Probably (potentially?) cleaner than uber imo: leather seats are way easier to clean than cloth, and most ubers I've ridden in have cloth seats. Taxis tend to be unhappy if you pay with a card, but telling them they'll accept a card or nothing generally works. The problem is taxis just don't come. There are relatively few areas of sf and times where you can reasonably street h…

I haven't used Uber a lot, but when I have the drivers universally love it. I've had them spend an entire 20 minute trip telling me how much the love Uber and how great it is to work for/with them. Are they really exploitative or is this just perception from outsiders?

Re: SF Yellow Cab to file for bankruptcy

#99

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The one thing that cabs do have going for them is no surge pricing. During peak weekend hours where surge pricing is 2x+ on both Uber and Lyft, cab fares stay the same. That's the only time I find myself taking a cab.

The downside to that, which I've read many people complain about, is that during those peak times, you simply can't get a cab . With a constrained supply and fixed pricing, demand outstrips supply and then you may or may not be lucky enough to get a ride. That's the whole reason they have surge pricing: to get more drivers out during those times to handle the load. Cab drivers have little incentive to bother driving…

> Cab drivers have little incentive to bother driving during peak hours since they get paid the same.

Won't a cab driver make more during peak hours because he will have less down time between fares?

Re: SF Yellow Cab to file for bankruptcy

#100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, that's not a union, that's a cartel. A union is an organization of labor , not company owners. And it's the cab owners who have the deal with the government.

You are just mincing words to make it seem like unions aren't the bad guy here. The auto unions, for instance, are larger than most big corporations and many of the leaders get paid out millions of dollars in bonuses every year. Read the first line of this article: https://news.vice.com/article/taxi-drivers-are-trying-to-tak... "Taxi unions in cities such as Boston, Denver, New York, and San Francisco are not pleased…

Boston only started to unionize in 2007, for example. Prior to the labor union being formed, the taxi cartel has long had an artificially restricted monopoly on medallions, which ensures a lack of competition and discourages innovation, causing them to stagnate and become ripe for disruption. I'm sure having unionized labor doesn't help in keeping costs down and the driver unions have gone on strike over things like requiring GPS, but you have failed to demonstrate that the labor union is the primary cause of their current troubles. If that were the case, you ought to be able to show that prior to 2007, Boston's taxi companies were constantly innovating and upping their game and that it's only after unionization that they have stagnated.

In fact, the GPS strike was due to the New York Taxi and Limousine Commission enacting rules that required the use of GPS -- this was something that the taxi companies could have introduced themselves if they were at all competitive, but due to their cartel status why should they even bother?

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