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Facebook's “free internet” programme hits a roadblock in India

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Re: Facebook's “free internet” programme hits a roadblock in India

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It doesn't take a genius to figure that out. Of course it's a land grab. The same way Google Fiber is trying grab North American broadband.

It's not in the same way at all.

Google Fiber is real internet; 'free internet basics' are an attempt to turn the internet into a walled garden.

Re: Facebook's “free internet” programme hits a roadblock in India

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Data infrastructure should be controlled by the government only.

Why? Well, imagine that every transport company had to support their own road network... Alternatively, imagine that one company controlled the roads, creating effectively a controlled market nested inside a free market.

Re: Facebook's “free internet” programme hits a roadblock in India

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Pretty heavily editorialized headline, not at all in the economists style. Original title: Facebook's “free internet” programme hits a roadblock in India

Doesn't seem that editorialized. The "roadblock" is the feedback from critics, and the Economist's subhead is "Critics argue Mark Zuckerberg’s generosity is a cover for a land-grab".

Re: Facebook's “free internet” programme hits a roadblock in India

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I wonder it it would be feasible to tunnel the "real internet" through Facebook using (for example) their chat client (you'd need something on the other end to make the connection). Like tunneling a VPN over DNS queries. That would be a clever work-around.

https://github.com/matiasinsaurralde/facebook-tunnel

I heard about some more, but didn't bookmark them :<

Re: Facebook's “free internet” programme hits a roadblock in India

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Personally, I believe Zuckerberg is sincere in wanting to connect everyone in the world with each other.

However, I believe he is also sincere in thinking that Facebook is the best and perhaps only platform by which this is possible. In this he is sincerely mistaken.

I feel sure he doesn't think of it as a land grab, even privately. But he is looking from the inside out. If he wants to be seen as the Great Connector, he needs to be pouring money into local infrastructure, subsidizing open source routing software, lobbying worldwide against entrenched bureaucracy and corporate obstructionism. They're doing some of that, sure, but Free Basics is heavy handed and no one trusts Facebook to begin with - it's not strange to think of it as a sort of modern digital imperialist.

Re: Facebook's “free internet” programme hits a roadblock in India

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post #13

Pretty heavily editorialized headline, not at all in the economists style. Original title: Facebook's “free internet” programme hits a roadblock in India

Doesn't seem that editorialized. The "roadblock" is the feedback from critics, and the Economist's subhead is "Critics argue Mark Zuckerberg’s generosity is a cover for a land-grab".

There is a significant difference between a headline that reads, "Facebook's “free internet” programme is a cover for a land-grab" and "Critics say Facebook's “free internet” programme is a cover for a land-grab". But both titles are sensational click-bait.

Re: Facebook's “free internet” programme hits a roadblock in India

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Personally, I believe Zuckerberg is sincere in wanting to connect everyone in the world with each other. However, I believe he is also sincere in thinking that Facebook is the best and perhaps only platform by which this is possible. In this he is sincerely mistaken. I feel sure he doesn't think of it as a land grab, even privately. But he is looking from the inside out. If he wants to be seen as the Great Connector,…

Zuckerberg is the new Bill Gates. In the 90s, Gates was notorious in his ruthlessness to define personal computing as a 100% Microsoft-only experience. Today, as you pointed out, Zuckerberg is pushing equally hard at defining the internet and Facebook to be one and the same. In both cases, it doesn't really matter whether or not the efforts are sincere. The outcome is just as undesirable for the general public either way.

Re: Facebook's “free internet” programme hits a roadblock in India

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post #12

Data infrastructure should be controlled by the government only. Why? Well, imagine that every transport company had to support their own road network... Alternatively, imagine that one company controlled the roads, creating effectively a controlled market nested inside a free market.

For the "last mile" this should certainly be true. We drive on public infrastructure to get to the airport. To continue this analogy: Any party could then maintain private infrastructure in India (or anywhere) for free public consumption. Like a local retailer. They could pay for "international shipping" to keep these services supplied with fresh data. This would allow Facebook to accomplish its ostensible goals. Without becoming the governor of a walled garden.

Re: Facebook's “free internet” programme hits a roadblock in India

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post #14
post #3

I wonder it it would be feasible to tunnel the "real internet" through Facebook using (for example) their chat client (you'd need something on the other end to make the connection). Like tunneling a VPN over DNS queries. That would be a clever work-around.

https://github.com/matiasinsaurralde/facebook-tunnel I heard about some more, but didn't bookmark them :<

Sadly this doesn’t work with http://0.facebook.com/, the version of Free Basics available in Germany.

Re: Facebook's “free internet” programme hits a roadblock in India

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post #13

Pretty heavily editorialized headline, not at all in the economists style. Original title: Facebook's “free internet” programme hits a roadblock in India

Doesn't seem that editorialized. The "roadblock" is the feedback from critics, and the Economist's subhead is "Critics argue Mark Zuckerberg’s generosity is a cover for a land-grab".

I agree with you (such_a_casual). I think my judgement was skewed because I'm one of those critics.
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