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Toyota Wants Cars to React to the Unexpected, and Then Explain Themselves

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Re: Toyota Wants Cars to React to the Unexpected, and Then Explain Themselves

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"I'm sorry we're falling off a mountain right now, but it was us or that family."

I think that self-driving cars should act in the self interest of the owners. It will encourage people to use self-driving cars and decrease road deaths.

Also, if you are at a rail yard and see something hurtling toward 5 workmen and can push a fat man in front to protect them, you should refrain. The workmen had the opportunity and duty to take actions to prepare for and prevent rogue train cars. The fat man should not have a duty to be constantly on guard against assault.

Re: Toyota Wants Cars to React to the Unexpected, and Then Explain Themselves

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"I'm sorry we're falling off a mountain right now, but it was us or that family."

I think that self-driving cars should act in the self interest of the owners. It will encourage people to use self-driving cars and decrease road deaths. Also, if you are at a rail yard and see something hurtling toward 5 workmen and can push a fat man in front to protect them, you should refrain. The workmen had the opportunity and duty to take actions to prepare for and prevent rogue train cars. The fat man should…

People make this out to be far more complex than it needs to be. Just give the car a fast connection to the credit bureaus and have it minimize the sum of the FICO scores of those killed.

Re: Toyota Wants Cars to React to the Unexpected, and Then Explain Themselves

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"I'm sorry we're falling off a mountain right now, but it was us or that family."

I think that self-driving cars should act in the self interest of the owners. It will encourage people to use self-driving cars and decrease road deaths. Also, if you are at a rail yard and see something hurtling toward 5 workmen and can push a fat man in front to protect them, you should refrain. The workmen had the opportunity and duty to take actions to prepare for and prevent rogue train cars. The fat man should…

> I think that self-driving cars should act in the self interest of the owners.

To what extent? At some point, we're going to have to decide as a society what call a self-driving car has to make in situations like "I can run down this family in the cross-walk or get rear-ended by that oncoming vehicle".

Re: Toyota Wants Cars to React to the Unexpected, and Then Explain Themselves

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that self-driving cars should act in the self interest of the owners. It will encourage people to use self-driving cars and decrease road deaths. Also, if you are at a rail yard and see something hurtling toward 5 workmen and can push a fat man in front to protect them, you should refrain. The workmen had the opportunity and duty to take actions to prepare for and prevent rogue train cars. The fat man should…

People make this out to be far more complex than it needs to be. Just give the car a fast connection to the credit bureaus and have it minimize the sum of the FICO scores of those killed.

...huh?

Oh, this comment is satire.

Eh, I really don't think people on HN tend to explicitly value others according to wealth. The failure mode some people have is not being fully aware of the degree that a certain level of wealth or stability during childhood is a prerequisite for all but a very few to get to a solid technical [self-]education.

Re: Toyota Wants Cars to React to the Unexpected, and Then Explain Themselves

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

People make this out to be far more complex than it needs to be. Just give the car a fast connection to the credit bureaus and have it minimize the sum of the FICO scores of those killed.

...huh? Oh, this comment is satire. Eh, I really don't think people on HN tend to explicitly value others according to wealth. The failure mode some people have is not being fully aware of the degree that a certain level of wealth or stability during childhood is a prerequisite for all but a very few to get to a solid technical [self-]education.

It's satire, but not meant to be about HN readers. It's just an amusing way to cut the Gordian Knot and riff on society's treatment of the less well-off.

Re: Toyota Wants Cars to React to the Unexpected, and Then Explain Themselves

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that self-driving cars should act in the self interest of the owners. It will encourage people to use self-driving cars and decrease road deaths. Also, if you are at a rail yard and see something hurtling toward 5 workmen and can push a fat man in front to protect them, you should refrain. The workmen had the opportunity and duty to take actions to prepare for and prevent rogue train cars. The fat man should…

> I think that self-driving cars should act in the self interest of the owners. To what extent? At some point, we're going to have to decide as a society what call a self-driving car has to make in situations like "I can run down this family in the cross-walk or get rear-ended by that oncoming vehicle".

I'd rather see a focus on smarter and faster braking then on solving contrived moral dilemmas.

Re: Toyota Wants Cars to React to the Unexpected, and Then Explain Themselves

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that self-driving cars should act in the self interest of the owners. It will encourage people to use self-driving cars and decrease road deaths. Also, if you are at a rail yard and see something hurtling toward 5 workmen and can push a fat man in front to protect them, you should refrain. The workmen had the opportunity and duty to take actions to prepare for and prevent rogue train cars. The fat man should…

> I think that self-driving cars should act in the self interest of the owners. To what extent? At some point, we're going to have to decide as a society what call a self-driving car has to make in situations like "I can run down this family in the cross-walk or get rear-ended by that oncoming vehicle".

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Re: Toyota Wants Cars to React to the Unexpected, and Then Explain Themselves

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"I'm sorry we're falling off a mountain right now, but it was us or that family."

If you are in a situation where there is a risk of falling off a mountain and you are driving fast enough that you can't safely stop if you see people in front of you, you are doing something wrong. A self-driving car should definitely not even get into situations where it's forced to make decisions like that.
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