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Re: How to submit an app to Apple’s App Store when it uses encryption

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Post by ascagnel_ »

aftbit wrote: post #40
chrischen wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Encryptions is munitions. It is the modern day "arms" that that the spirit of the 2nd amendment to the US constitution was trying to protect as a fail-safe to an overreaching corrupted government. We don't need to bear arms anymore because we don't walk around dueling people at high noon anymore, but being an information based economy and information based society, encryption is the new gun in the wild world web.

We continue to need to bear arms of all sorts, equal to those that the military uses. As you pointed out, the purpose of the 2nd amendment was to avoid tyranny in a powerful central government. As long as the (federally funded & led) military uses firearms, responsible civilians _must_ also keep & bear them.

The purpose of the second amendment was to avoid tyranny in a powerful central government _over the individual states_. The current (2008) Supreme Court interpretation of the second amendment is controversial because it largely ignores the "well regulated militia" text.[0]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United...

Re: How to submit an app to Apple’s App Store when it uses encryption

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Post by Spooky23 »

chrischen wrote: post #32
NamTaf wrote: post #5

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Holy crap that is a bureaucratic nightmare. Why does encryption even need to be registered in the first place? I don't see any point beyond the holdover of 'encryption is munitions' which is a pile of crap in the first place.

Encryptions is munitions. It is the modern day "arms" that that the spirit of the 2nd amendment to the US constitution was trying to protect as a fail-safe to an overreaching corrupted government. We don't need to bear arms anymore because we don't walk around dueling people at high noon anymore, but being an information based economy and information based society, encryption is the new gun in the wild world web.

This classification might by a blessing in disguise.

The supreme court disagrees with you (see District of Columbia vs. Heller) re your need to bear firearms. But if encryption is the new firearm, that might be an important ruling for crypto.

Re: How to submit an app to Apple’s App Store when it uses encryption

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Post by skykooler »

Spooky23 wrote: post #72
chrischen wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Encryptions is munitions. It is the modern day "arms" that that the spirit of the 2nd amendment to the US constitution was trying to protect as a fail-safe to an overreaching corrupted government. We don't need to bear arms anymore because we don't walk around dueling people at high noon anymore, but being an information based economy and information based society, encryption is the new gun in the wild world web.

This classification might by a blessing in disguise. The supreme court disagrees with you (see District of Columbia vs. Heller) re your need to bear firearms. But if encryption is the new firearm, that might be an important ruling for crypto.

Same idea as in http://xkcd.com/504

Re: How to submit an app to Apple’s App Store when it uses encryption

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Post by derwildemomo »

rewqfdsa wrote: post #70

Don't you wish you hadn't surrendered software distribution authority to a single faceless corporate party? When nobody tried to demand bullshit crypto paperwork? Remember when you could distribute software yourself without getting threatened[1]? Remember when platform vendors didn't take a 30% cut of everything you earned just because they wrote an OS? Not even Microsoft was that evil. I hope you enjoy the world you…

You are off topic.

Re: How to submit an app to Apple’s App Store when it uses encryption

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Post by noblethrasher »

eps wrote: post #47
metafunctor wrote: post #13

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I don't think it matters where the encryption capability comes from. The iTunes Connect FAQ says: “If your app uses, accesses, implements or incorporates industry standard encryption algorithms other than those listed as exemptions under question 2, you need to submit for an ERN authorization. Examples of standard encryption are: AES, SSL, https.” There are a lot of exemptions, but only using Apple's HTTPS is not one…

> industry standard What about custom crypto then?

The line between encoding and encryption is blurry, so it would be difficult to enforce without being seeming arbitrary or capricious.

On the other hand, custom crypto will almost certainly be defective, so why bother prohibiting it it?

Re: How to submit an app to Apple’s App Store when it uses encryption

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Post by rail2rail »

woah wrote: post #64
Pharaoh2 wrote: post #42

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If that is so, then we have already lost. No firearm held by the citizens can compete with the firepower of the military of today. The spirit of the amendment may have been in the right place and surely worked when the constitution was written but we live in a very different world now and if you still think the an armed citizenry will avoid tyranny, you need to go to youtube and see what the military can now do.

Are you sure about that? Look at Iraq. Also, while soldiers in the military might be fine oppressing a compliant populace, how many will jump ship if they are forced to wage actual war on their countrypersons?

All fine and well until the drone army comes online.

Only half kidding.

Re: How to submit an app to Apple’s App Store when it uses encryption

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Post by hundchenkatze »

rewqfdsa wrote: post #70

Don't you wish you hadn't surrendered software distribution authority to a single faceless corporate party? When nobody tried to demand bullshit crypto paperwork? Remember when you could distribute software yourself without getting threatened[1]? Remember when platform vendors didn't take a 30% cut of everything you earned just because they wrote an OS? Not even Microsoft was that evil. I hope you enjoy the world you…

This is unrelated to Apple and it's AppStore. Even if you sold this on your own, you'd be subject to the same rules.

https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/policy-guidance/encryption

Re: How to submit an app to Apple’s App Store when it uses encryption

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Post by rail2rail »

rewqfdsa wrote: post #70

Don't you wish you hadn't surrendered software distribution authority to a single faceless corporate party? When nobody tried to demand bullshit crypto paperwork? Remember when you could distribute software yourself without getting threatened[1]? Remember when platform vendors didn't take a 30% cut of everything you earned just because they wrote an OS? Not even Microsoft was that evil. I hope you enjoy the world you…

Calm down. It is the US Govt requiring this form. Apple is only passing along the requirement.

Re: How to submit an app to Apple’s App Store when it uses encryption

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Post by jemfinch »

Spooky23 wrote: post #72
chrischen wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Encryptions is munitions. It is the modern day "arms" that that the spirit of the 2nd amendment to the US constitution was trying to protect as a fail-safe to an overreaching corrupted government. We don't need to bear arms anymore because we don't walk around dueling people at high noon anymore, but being an information based economy and information based society, encryption is the new gun in the wild world web.

This classification might by a blessing in disguise. The supreme court disagrees with you (see District of Columbia vs. Heller) re your need to bear firearms. But if encryption is the new firearm, that might be an important ruling for crypto.

> The supreme court disagrees with you (see District of Columbia vs. Heller) re your need to bear firearms.

He's talking about his need to bear firearms. SCOTUS in Heller was talking about his right to bear firearms. There's no disagreement here at all.

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