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Re: Dell Computers Has Been Hacked

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Post by krick »

JupiterMoon wrote: post #63
leni536 wrote: post #61

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Well, I block GoogleAnalytics with uBlock and uMatrix.

Unfortunately people have started putting the tracking server side.

You mean GoogleAnalytics-tracking on the server side? Please expand on that, I'm not very versed in all that marketing spy-modules. Do you mean that some internet-shop (or blog or whatever) makes a request to GA or some similar service to share that I was at their website? If so, what information do they share? My IP, cookies or what? I always assumed that very point of GA was outsourcing tracking users to some other service (Google) which could try somehow guess who I am based on flash-cookies and me appearing on other websites with GA. But how would that work server-side?

Re: Dell Computers Has Been Hacked

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Post by Jgrubb »

benevol wrote: post #41
imbellish wrote: post #15

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It's the isolating arm of capitalism drilling its elbow grease directly into your personal life.

Now think about what a company like Google or Facebook knows about you. And then ask yourself if you ever want to use their services again (besides those that everybody is forced to "use", such as GoogleAnalytics.).

FYI, Facebook buys CC purchase info about you from these companies as well in order to be able to sell more targeted ads.

Re: Dell Computers Has Been Hacked

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Post by vive-la-liberte »

JupiterMoon wrote: post #79
tombrossman wrote: post #75

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Tracking server-side is fine, it is assumed the server logs contain a record of my visits and I have no problem with that. I think what most people object to is the third-party tracking that so many people use. Company A tracking my visits to Company A's website = OK Company A using Google Analytics to track my visits (while also enabling Google to track me across multiple sites) = Not OK EDIT: (replying here as we'v…

I agree with your position. However... You misunderstand. There have been several commentators here on HN saying that they are moving Google Analytics server side. They seem to think that people are only objecting to the cookie or the presence of the JS rather than objecting to the pervasive cross-site tracking.

In that case, f that and f them. Do not track me.

Re: Dell Computers Has Been Hacked

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Post by krick »

pdkl95 wrote: post #55
rms_returns wrote: post #34

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It already happens unofficially. How do you think banks assess your lending/borrowing habits when you apply for a loan? There are detective agencies who track credit cards and other things (like a few examples someone gave in this very thread).

There is a huge difference between a "private" rating system and a public rating that uses your friends against you as manipulation. See Extra Credit's description[1] of how this works. We aren't there yet , but consider that Facebook wants to use your social network associations in your credit score[2]. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHcTKWiZ8sI [2] http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/09/facebo..…

Jesus. If that first video is true, then that's what should be top-upvoted submission on HN. Why isn't it better known? I mean, at least I personally never heard about it and I might be not the most informed person on the Internet, but certainly I'm not the least. And this is much more important thing to know than… well, everything I usually hear on the news.

I don't get often surprised by all that dystopian stuff, because I assume we already are quite fucked, but this one did surprise me. That's just crazy.

Re: Dell Computers Has Been Hacked

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Post by madaxe_again »

geocar wrote: post #46

It doesn't sound like Dell has been very effective here: likely attackers downloaded the database raw or it's one of their many contractors who log in remotely. Last time I saw that interface it was a web form that someone could access from any machine! This is serious. If you have customer data, you need to log access to that data, and you need to audit access to that data, and (very important!) you need to have a z…

The CTO is responsible here, not some "website hackers".

If only that bore up in reality - you need only look at any number of recent high profile breaches (TalkTalk, for instance), to see that the "hacked" (incompetent) party gets sympathy, the exploiter gets prison time.

As to how this is happening - quite likely exactly as you say. They have extreme staff churn in their Indian operations, and all it takes is a few dishonest individuals to make this sort of thing become widespread. I've even had Dell sales reps contact me from their personal email address trying to get me to scam Dell (buy servers, I get commission, you return, I give you 50% of commission, deal?), so this is as unsurprising as it gets.

Re: Dell Computers Has Been Hacked

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Post by branchless »

sbarre wrote: post #89
dcposch wrote: post #85

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I assumed that when I buy something on a card, it's more or less private. The transaction should be known only to: me, the merchant, our respective banks, Visa, and I guess the IRS if they come and ask for it. If I understand correctly, youre saying my entire purchase history is shared with random third party marketing companies. Full transaction data, PII included, no anonymization. How is that even remotely OK?

That is correct. Banks and credit card companies merchandise this information to their partners, which leads to this kind of thing. Check your cards' terms of services if you want to be somewhat horrified.

Banks are disgusting. They get a cut already from the purchase which ought to be more than enough to deliver this and make a profit. But no it's not enough.

I don't use facebook but do use a credit card. Hard to opt out of that in the modern world. God these people are filth.

Re: Dell Computers Has Been Hacked

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Post by krick »

branchless wrote: post #96
sbarre wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is correct. Banks and credit card companies merchandise this information to their partners, which leads to this kind of thing. Check your cards' terms of services if you want to be somewhat horrified.

Banks are disgusting. They get a cut already from the purchase which ought to be more than enough to deliver this and make a profit. But no it's not enough. I don't use facebook but do use a credit card. Hard to opt out of that in the modern world. God these people are filth.

Well, I don't know how hard is it in the USA, but I use cash most of the time and know several people who do the same. Sure, sometimes you need to make wire transfer, or pay with credit card, or paypal for that matter. But at least shopping in the supermarket is possible with cash.

Re: Dell Computers Has Been Hacked

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Post by kuschku »

simonh wrote: post #60
imbellish wrote: post #15

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It's the isolating arm of capitalism drilling its elbow grease directly into your personal life.

Because non-capitalist countries have a much better record of protecting and respecting personal privacy. Really? The answers to this are twofold: Better national information security support* and regulation; Consumer action to chose vendors that demonstrate that they value personal privacy and prioritise information security. * Which includes not deliberately, as a matter of policy, undermining security technologies…

The best track record of protecting have Social Market countries. Social Capitalism, also called "Social Democracy", "Nordic Model", "Democratic Socialism", etc is generally the best model.

In a pure capitalist model it is okay if Facebook shares all your data with advertisers – if you don’t like Facebook, just vote with your money and go to Google+.

Re: Dell Computers Has Been Hacked

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Post by pdkl95 »

krick wrote: post #94
pdkl95 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a huge difference between a "private" rating system and a public rating that uses your friends against you as manipulation. See Extra Credit's description[1] of how this works. We aren't there yet , but consider that Facebook wants to use your social network associations in your credit score[2]. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHcTKWiZ8sI [2] http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/09/facebo..…

Jesus. If that first video is true, then that's what should be top-upvoted submission on HN. Why isn't it better known? I mean, at least I personally never heard about it and I might be not the most informed person on the Internet, but certainly I'm not the least. And this is much more important thing to know than… well, everything I usually hear on the news. I don't get often surprised by all that dystopian stuff, b…

That video has been submitted numerous times, but it never got any attention.

To be clear, I believe there is some disagreement as if this is one or multiple programs in China, but that doesn't really matter; we need to defend against the establishment of this kind of program regardless.

The trick where positive reinforcement is used to trick people into wanting to participate is utterly terrifying... because it will work. It's obvious that it will work, because it is effectively the weaponization of "high school clique"-style tribalism and carefully re-framed self interest.

Re: Dell Computers Has Been Hacked

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Post by kuschku »

wfo wrote: post #72
robotresearcher wrote: post #53

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> we are more familiar with business practices Almost everywhere in the world had been doing business for thousands of years before the US existed. It's pretty careless to say that Asians are not 'familiar with business practices'. They may not be all about your business practices. If yours get too weird and uptight they'll just return to doing business with the rest of the world and won't miss you too much.

It's fairly well known and accepted that regulations and rules in western countries are FAR stricter than those in Asian and Indian countries. If you care about privacy EU > US > everywhere else (any non western country has literally zero protections or laws about privacy that are enforced), if you care about workers being treated decently EU and US are bastions of fairly mediocre to bad treatment, everywhere else is…

That’s not really true, though. Look at Japan.

Sweatshops and de facto slavery isn’t everywhere, but you’re kinda right, countries which were colonies before – mostly in Africa, Asia and South America – tend to have less wealth and prosperity.

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