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Working fewer hours would make us more productive

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Re: Working fewer hours would make us more productive

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Interesting somewhat related talk from Tony Schwarz in the Leading @ Google series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tke6X2eME3c

"Demand is relentlessly rising. Our capacity is not keeping pace. The traditional solution to higher demand has been to invest more time. Unfortunately, time is finite, and most of us have no hours left to invest. Energy, however, can be systematically expanded --- and it can also be regularly renewed. To operate at our best, we need four energy sources: physical (quantity), emotional (quality), mental (focus), and the energy of the human spirit (purpose). This talk will focus on the role of energy in fueling sustainable high performance, and in motivating others."

...which relates to the work he does at the Energy Project - http://theenergyproject.com/

Re: Working fewer hours would make us more productive

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>and the Dutch people are better known for their love of cycling

We don't 'love' cycling it's just highly ingrained in our culture and it's way cheaper than owning a car, especially with our awesome public transport.

>But what about tackling the issue at its roots? What if everyone had a shorter working week? We would be healthier and happier, and society would be less unequal and more sustainable.

Is it? How is this article different from pure speculation?

Re: Working fewer hours would make us more productive

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It seems to me that the spirit of long working hours stems from the idea that a worker is an interchangeable 'machine' with a capacity to provide effort and the idea that more time spent (literally) at the coal face will yield a better return on capital.

This holds true in an industrial context where there is a large pool of workers, the work is low skilled and unions are weak. A workers ability to provide time is the only concern that the employer has. Where I live, in the North of England, this factory mentality still casts a long shadow over working conditions and practice.

I think a 40 hour week is way too long to actually have a balanced life and I've consistently burnt-out where the pressure to work 50/60 hours a week is strong.

I'm not surprised that DavCam is wanting to keep the 48-hour opt-out - if you are an investor / owner of capital, do you care about the long term well being of the people making effort to give a return on your capital over a short term (5 years) when people are interchangeable? You simply want to increase the return on your investment.

Re: Working fewer hours would make us more productive

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>and the Dutch people are better known for their love of cycling We don't 'love' cycling it's just highly ingrained in our culture and it's way cheaper than owning a car, especially with our awesome public transport. >But what about tackling the issue at its roots? What if everyone had a shorter working week? We would be healthier and happier, and society would be less unequal and more sustainable. Is it? How is this…

Well, it's not speculation to compare Britain to Denmark, which have comparable living standards, levels of technology, &c but different attitudes to the working week.

No-one in Denmark/Germany is a slacker, btw. They're just really productive when they're actually at work.

Re: Working fewer hours would make us more productive

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I agree that shorter hours are likely to be beneficial, but why are people trying to achieve this by passing a law?

I think that this can be achieved with a softer approach. Imagine that when you sign up for a job, you select how many days per week do you want to work, from 3 to 6, with proportionate wage scale. That you can select what hours do you want to work. That it's easy to change this arrangement while you're already working.

Now, why is this fantasy not a reality? Not because of laws; laws allow this. But:

1) These creative arrangements require non-standard agreements, and a lot of additional bureaucracy, because in a lot of countries, all the bureaucracy machinery allows it, but is really not optimized for use-cases like that.

This can be solved through careful policy work, removing necessary paperwork, streamlining processes, etc.

2) Economies of scale. Having a full-time 40h/week employee that gets X money as salary is cheaper than having 2 half-time 20h/week employees that get X/2 money because of management overhead, cost of their office spaces and other stuff like that.

This would be solved if 20h/week employees would understand this and get X/2-Y money. Also, a lot of these scale issues are being solved by modern world anyway, because we're learning to telecommute, work together in more effective ways, automate management tasks, etc.

3) Culture.

And I think this is the most important one. It's not in the laws, it's in the people's heads. We need to convince people that one person wants to dedicate work 60 hours per week, spend free time that's left on professional education and succeed in his career, and another is quite OK to work for 20 hours per week, get less promotions, learn less new stuff and earn less money, and spend all his free time with his kids. We need to stop labeling the first of these persons as "successful" and second one as a "failure": it's OK to be both of them. And they need to be able to work in the same office, on the same project, fully understanding difference in each other's views and being mutually acceptful.

I don't know how to do that, but it seems that this cultural change is already slowly happening. Still, advancing it would bring the real change much faster and more effectively than writing new laws.

Re: Working fewer hours would make us more productive

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Totally agree. I don't see how people can be productive working >60h/week and doing mental job. I find 30h/week to be perfect as I can't keep concentrated more than 3-5 hours straight, so that makes two streaks (2-3h) and a coffee break working day Monday till Friday. If I'm forced to work longer hours, I find my mind wandering around, rewritting the same code over and over or reading HN. Of course, there might be some short-term mission critical periods when I can honestly put ~10h/day, but it's an exception that must be justified, not a rule.

Re: Working fewer hours would make us more productive

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Can't disagree with anything here really.

I think one of the problems is that some people in powerful positions in companies want to do long hours themselves, so expect those under them to do the same. They see someone putting in long hours as hard-working and diligent, even though in reality they are probably being very inefficient and producing shoddy work.

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