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Re: Google Fired Me

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I agree with some of the the other points in this article that it's intentionally vague, and missing a lot of details. What I do notice is that HR specifically directed author to have no further contact with the other employee. The author obviously violated that both directly, and indirectly. As much as the author may feel like HR treated them unfairly, he should remember something we all tend to forget:

HR is not your friend. They are there to protect the company, not you.

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15 years ago, freshly employed, less than 25 years old, introverted and socially awkward, I had a work colleague as well to which I wrote a romantic poem (for her, more or less out of the blue). It wasn't received well. Not well at all. I had trouble understanding her dismissal and insisted on that she gave me signs of affection. HR was involved briefly, my story sounded so similar to what OP writes. But in my case,…

Sounds like that scene from God Bless America. If you haven't seen the HR scene it's probably very similar to what many people have experienced. I learned long ago that workplace friendships, and colleagues, are to be treated as absolutely professional. End of story. Too much on the line and too many quick to judge, be offended, etc.

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This is why you should party or at least socialize widely in college. To get all that weird socially awkward shit over with before you're in the workplace and it impacts yours or another's career.

The socialization skills I learned in college didn't really help me at my first corporate job where the rules are completely different.

You mean tea-bagging your passed out co-worker at the Christmas party is not appropriate?

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Agreed. His language tells a lot. From the beginning he is distancing himself from this person by saying " this coworker" and " that coworker" but then later on gives a weak implication of friendship. So what is it, friend or co-worker? If they were actually friends outside of work situations, you would expect less distancing language to that person from the beginning. First sentence mentioning 'coworker', emphasis m…

Based on the photo of him draped in a rainbow colored cape at what appears to be a Pride parade, I suspect that this involves a case of a homosexual advance on a straight coworker, which, depending on the person, could make it more sensitive. Despite huge progress in gay rights and public acceptance, not everyone is so accepting. I'll admit that I have nothing to base this on other than pure speculation, but the lack…

The way it is written made me think that the author was deliberately avoiding (gendered) pronouns, either to be as vague as possible as to who the other person was, or to avoid the implication that homophobia played a role in this.

Regardless of the actual reason, the style just made me distrust the author to some extent - it felt deliberately vague, leading to the (possibly unfair) conclusion that certain facts/events don't fit the narrative presented.

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Yes. "Performance Improvement Plans" are also the kiss of death. When it looks like you're about to be placed under one, fairly or not, you should attempt to find other employment ASAP.

"Performance" can be seen as your ability to play ball with bullshit things and people at work. Outdated inefficient systems you're expected to use instead of building something new, for example. So you apply some resistance, apply initiative, and get smacked down for your efforts. Or when you're supposed to work with someone who is an expert at sticky note presentations or motivational bullshit-speak, but literally…

Why do you want to stay if this signals stuff you don't like?

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post #54

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Yes. "Performance Improvement Plans" are also the kiss of death. When it looks like you're about to be placed under one, fairly or not, you should attempt to find other employment ASAP.

Or as soon as you are asked to sign a PIP the relationship has soured and you should be looking for a new job, or if you have FU money, resign.

Or as Homer says "Just go in and do a really half assed job". You're already on PIP, you could likely do 0 work for the duration of the PIP while you look for other jobs and switch.

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Never talk to HR.

I don't know why this was down voted -- it's good (if impractical) advice - HR is not there to help you (the employee), HR is there to help the company avoid future lawsuits.

Talking to HR is like talking to the police - assume that nothing you say will be used to help you and that everything you say will be used against you. The difference between talking to HR and talking to the police is that you have more legal protections when talking to the police.

You can't get away with not talking to HR at all, but you can certainly be careful what you say.

Don't talk to Police:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc

Re: Google Fired Me

#68

This is intentionally vague to the point of being dishonest. Take this quote: > They asked about my whereabouts that involved this co-worker, all of which happened outside the workplace. I asked why these events mattered, and they told me that an issue has been brought to their attention in such a way that is has entered the workplace, and thus is now a workplace matter. So something happened outside of the workplace…

I tend to agree. I also can't see any mention of the sex of the co-worker which I think is relevant considering events happened outside work. For example asking a co-worker out who is not interested can end badly.

Re: Google Fired Me

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It's hard to form an opinion without knowing what is "this thing" the author has done, unless I missed the part where he describes it. If he acknowledged to a colleague of having killed someone, the context is pretty different from a minor violation of an internal policy.

Correction: it's a thing that she thought he had done based on hearsay from other coworkers, but which he hadn't actually done. Could have been "Hey, so-and-so told me you have a great rack when we were both wasted at the bar", used as a flirty opening by a coworker, but one which backfired spectacularly.

He says he didn't do it -- whatever it is. Who knows?

Re: Google Fired Me

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post #54

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Or as soon as you are asked to sign a PIP the relationship has soured and you should be looking for a new job, or if you have FU money, resign.

Or as Homer says "Just go in and do a really half assed job". You're already on PIP, you could likely do 0 work for the duration of the PIP while you look for other jobs and switch.

The problem with that is that it leaves a record of the bad performance which can be accessed through the HR back channel. Better to quit while you are ahead.
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