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Is the Drive for Success Making Our Children Sick?

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Re: Is the Drive for Success Making Our Children Sick?

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Post by analog31 »

trentmb wrote: post #14
ZoF wrote: post #9

HA. How could school not be stressful. Same rooms. Every Day. Same kids. Same motivations. Same tapping-of-the-foot. Same stagnation. Same restlessness. Same mockery. Same shame. 'Stupid fucking faggot retard loser fatty useless cunt.' Try living with that cacophonous litany for 8 hours daily and not coming out a little fucked. Absolutely a first world problem but I would have 100% more enjoyed an apprenticeship or s…

> Absolutely a first world problem I don't understand this statement. Doesn't this mean it's a problem every developing nation will eventually face? Wouldn't it be nice to have already figured out a solution by then?

In common parlance, the term "first world problem" is an indication that we are fretting over things that are only problems because of our relative affluence and status. Sometimes it's also intended to poke fun at people who are a little bit too precious.

There is a related thing called "fallacy of relative privation."

Re: Is the Drive for Success Making Our Children Sick?

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Post by logicchains »

danharaj wrote: post #2

Well, gee, I don't know! What part of "sit in this room for 8 hours a day until we cut the umbilical cord, then get a job and contribute to society so that you can afford to live and maybe retire one day. because otherwise you are human garbage." sounds like it supports mental health? How many people will quickly blame social media, or adults paying too much attention to children's emotional needs for ruining our chi…

>What part of "sit in this room for 8 hours a day until we cut the umbilical cord, then get a job and contribute to society so that you can afford to live and maybe retire one day. because otherwise you are human garbage."

I think the expectation that "people should be good to me just because I was born" lies at the root of much distress. Reality can be harsh: if you don't have anything to offer them, most people don't care much about you.

Maybe this is a terrible failing on the part of society, but from a pragmatic perspective it's much easier to change one's viewpoint than to change society. It can be surprisingly liberating to not expect anything from the world.

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Post by germinalphrase »

crazy1van wrote: post #13
danharaj wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think snark is appropriate. If you asked the children what they want, you would get accurate answers. If you asked the teachers what the children need, you would get accurate answers. Instead, we ask (and get answers even if we don't ask) the adults what the children want and the bureaucrats what the children need. The bureaucratic, overmanaged, underfunded education industry is not structured for education. It's s…

> underfunded education I was sympathetic to your argument until this part. It varies by region, but we spend what seems like a fortune on school. DC public schools spent over $18,000 per student in 2010 [0]. That's more than my state college tuition. Where does that money go? [0]: http://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/finance_ins...

Not sure - but as a high school teacher I've been turned down to buy paperbacks (that actually have all their pages) for my classroom due to budget constraints.

You're not wrong, and there is a lot of money in compulsory education (hence the push since the 80's to privatize)- but the macro view of educational budgeting doesn't necessarily speak to the direct effect of budgeting on classroom resources.

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Post by ZoF »

trentmb wrote: post #14
ZoF wrote: post #9

HA. How could school not be stressful. Same rooms. Every Day. Same kids. Same motivations. Same tapping-of-the-foot. Same stagnation. Same restlessness. Same mockery. Same shame. 'Stupid fucking faggot retard loser fatty useless cunt.' Try living with that cacophonous litany for 8 hours daily and not coming out a little fucked. Absolutely a first world problem but I would have 100% more enjoyed an apprenticeship or s…

> Absolutely a first world problem I don't understand this statement. Doesn't this mean it's a problem every developing nation will eventually face? Wouldn't it be nice to have already figured out a solution by then?

Yeah it would be great to have nuclear fusion figured out as well wouldn't it...?

What was your point here?

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Post by [deleted] »

trentmb wrote: post #14
ZoF wrote: post #9

HA. How could school not be stressful. Same rooms. Every Day. Same kids. Same motivations. Same tapping-of-the-foot. Same stagnation. Same restlessness. Same mockery. Same shame. 'Stupid fucking faggot retard loser fatty useless cunt.' Try living with that cacophonous litany for 8 hours daily and not coming out a little fucked. Absolutely a first world problem but I would have 100% more enjoyed an apprenticeship or s…

> Absolutely a first world problem I don't understand this statement. Doesn't this mean it's a problem every developing nation will eventually face? Wouldn't it be nice to have already figured out a solution by then?

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Post by [deleted] »

trentmb wrote: post #14
ZoF wrote: post #9

HA. How could school not be stressful. Same rooms. Every Day. Same kids. Same motivations. Same tapping-of-the-foot. Same stagnation. Same restlessness. Same mockery. Same shame. 'Stupid fucking faggot retard loser fatty useless cunt.' Try living with that cacophonous litany for 8 hours daily and not coming out a little fucked. Absolutely a first world problem but I would have 100% more enjoyed an apprenticeship or s…

> Absolutely a first world problem I don't understand this statement. Doesn't this mean it's a problem every developing nation will eventually face? Wouldn't it be nice to have already figured out a solution by then?

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Post by [deleted] »

trentmb wrote: post #14
ZoF wrote: post #9

HA. How could school not be stressful. Same rooms. Every Day. Same kids. Same motivations. Same tapping-of-the-foot. Same stagnation. Same restlessness. Same mockery. Same shame. 'Stupid fucking faggot retard loser fatty useless cunt.' Try living with that cacophonous litany for 8 hours daily and not coming out a little fucked. Absolutely a first world problem but I would have 100% more enjoyed an apprenticeship or s…

> Absolutely a first world problem I don't understand this statement. Doesn't this mean it's a problem every developing nation will eventually face? Wouldn't it be nice to have already figured out a solution by then?

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Re: Is the Drive for Success Making Our Children Sick?

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Post by [deleted] »

trentmb wrote: post #14
ZoF wrote: post #9

HA. How could school not be stressful. Same rooms. Every Day. Same kids. Same motivations. Same tapping-of-the-foot. Same stagnation. Same restlessness. Same mockery. Same shame. 'Stupid fucking faggot retard loser fatty useless cunt.' Try living with that cacophonous litany for 8 hours daily and not coming out a little fucked. Absolutely a first world problem but I would have 100% more enjoyed an apprenticeship or s…

> Absolutely a first world problem I don't understand this statement. Doesn't this mean it's a problem every developing nation will eventually face? Wouldn't it be nice to have already figured out a solution by then?

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Re: Is the Drive for Success Making Our Children Sick?

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Post by [deleted] »

trentmb wrote: post #14
ZoF wrote: post #9

HA. How could school not be stressful. Same rooms. Every Day. Same kids. Same motivations. Same tapping-of-the-foot. Same stagnation. Same restlessness. Same mockery. Same shame. 'Stupid fucking faggot retard loser fatty useless cunt.' Try living with that cacophonous litany for 8 hours daily and not coming out a little fucked. Absolutely a first world problem but I would have 100% more enjoyed an apprenticeship or s…

> Absolutely a first world problem I don't understand this statement. Doesn't this mean it's a problem every developing nation will eventually face? Wouldn't it be nice to have already figured out a solution by then?

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