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Bing Goes Full-On Censorship in English Search Results Within China

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Re: Bing Goes Full-On Censorship in English Search Results Within China

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A more accurate title might be "Bing tries full-on censorship..". The author of the post notes: > This isn’t happening anymore (as of January 2), but we’ll keep checking to see if any further changes are made. But it's worrying that Bing seems to have enacted censorship (maybe they pushed a change to production too early and rolled it back?). Certainly something to keep an eye on.

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Re: Bing Goes Full-On Censorship in English Search Results Within China

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post #11
post #5

A more accurate title might be "Bing tries full-on censorship..". The author of the post notes: > This isn’t happening anymore (as of January 2), but we’ll keep checking to see if any further changes are made. But it's worrying that Bing seems to have enacted censorship (maybe they pushed a change to production too early and rolled it back?). Certainly something to keep an eye on.

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> But why is it bad that a commercial party wants to respect local laws?

How far are you willing to follow this line of argument, should a company help with enforcement Sharia Law, or the North Korean weapons program also? (They conform to local laws!)))

Or are you only willing to follow this line of argument when it is deemed sufficiently profitable over the possible cost of PR backlash for a corporation (which is how I suspect they do their calculations).

Re: Bing Goes Full-On Censorship in English Search Results Within China

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> But why is it bad that a commercial party wants to respect local laws? How far are you willing to follow this line of argument, should a company help with enforcement Sharia Law, or the North Korean weapons program also? (They conform to local laws!))) Or are you only willing to follow this line of argument when it is deemed sufficiently profitable over the possible cost of PR backlash for a corporation (which is h…

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Re: Bing Goes Full-On Censorship in English Search Results Within China

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post #11
post #5

A more accurate title might be "Bing tries full-on censorship..". The author of the post notes: > This isn’t happening anymore (as of January 2), but we’ll keep checking to see if any further changes are made. But it's worrying that Bing seems to have enacted censorship (maybe they pushed a change to production too early and rolled it back?). Certainly something to keep an eye on.

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> But why is it bad that a commercial party wants to respect local laws?

Let's say for sake of argument that it is not bad. But what are those laws? What does the law say and how do you interpret it? The way China does censorship is very vague: "don't allow anything indecent (by any standard) or that disturbs social harmony (in any way)." Oh, and there is no such thing as safe harbor, you must pro-actively check that user content abides by these vague standards. It is also quite arbitrary, here is an example of a picture that is banned in China as indecent:

http://imgur.com/e6HCmXq

Why? Because of people were comparing that image to this:

https://thenanfang.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/parade-06....

Now how the heck are you supposed to follow that law?

USA censorship is more like "child porn is bad, report it at once if you find it." It is an incredibly different form of very clear content restriction. It is not a vague threat hanging over your head all the time.

Re: Bing Goes Full-On Censorship in English Search Results Within China

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> But why is it bad that a commercial party wants to respect local laws? Let's say for sake of argument that it is not bad. But what are those laws? What does the law say and how do you interpret it? The way China does censorship is very vague: "don't allow anything indecent (by any standard) or that disturbs social harmony (in any way)." Oh, and there is no such thing as safe harbor, you must pro-actively check that…

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Re: Bing Goes Full-On Censorship in English Search Results Within China

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A more accurate title might be "Bing tries full-on censorship..". The author of the post notes: > This isn’t happening anymore (as of January 2), but we’ll keep checking to see if any further changes are made. But it's worrying that Bing seems to have enacted censorship (maybe they pushed a change to production too early and rolled it back?). Certainly something to keep an eye on.

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They become complicit, and accomplices of, the local authorities. Cowardly hiding behind the local legal veil is really just avoiding any moral standard.

Re: Bing Goes Full-On Censorship in English Search Results Within China

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> But why is it bad that a commercial party wants to respect local laws? Let's say for sake of argument that it is not bad. But what are those laws? What does the law say and how do you interpret it? The way China does censorship is very vague: "don't allow anything indecent (by any standard) or that disturbs social harmony (in any way)." Oh, and there is no such thing as safe harbor, you must pro-actively check that…

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China's wrong, but maybe China would be better off with no search engine than with one which attempts to bias public opinion toward the party.

Re: Bing Goes Full-On Censorship in English Search Results Within China

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I am trying to understand what the purpose of this blockade is? By the way here is a great talk about how the Great Firewall works https://media.ccc.de/v/32c3-7196-how_the_great_firewall_disc... by CCC the biggest European Computer Club ;)

Thanks for share this.

Re: Bing Goes Full-On Censorship in English Search Results Within China

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> But why is it bad that a commercial party wants to respect local laws? Let's say for sake of argument that it is not bad. But what are those laws? What does the law say and how do you interpret it? The way China does censorship is very vague: "don't allow anything indecent (by any standard) or that disturbs social harmony (in any way)." Oh, and there is no such thing as safe harbor, you must pro-actively check that…

I'm a little sad that the grand-parent comment was deleted. He raised a topic that needed discussion.
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