I live in Colorado. Lots of profitable small farms here. You just need the right crop :-)
I suspect that is temporary. The bureaucracy is already very large in the pot industry, and will grow with time...the big players will guarantee regulators stack the deck in their favor. As legalization spreads across the country, growing will be concentrated in a few areas where it grows most easily and with the cheapest labor and most favorable legal climate (just as tobacco is concentrated in a few places). The bi…
What nobody told me about small farming: I can’t make a living
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#33My grandfather ran a farm. Small farming isn't profitable. Full stop. Farming scales up really well but not down.
And if you can make back the costs of the equipment, own the land, and create enough food for your family, what value does money have?
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#34To quote Jerry Seinfeld, "I didn't know it was possible to not know that."
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#35My grandfather ran a farm. Small farming isn't profitable. Full stop. Farming scales up really well but not down.
Even that was barely break even with 14 hour days in the summers. Equipment upkeep and maintenance is the worst.
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#36...we gained no equity because we didn’t own the land... Farming on rented land seems like the original Uber. You're workers, with no guarantee of even minimum wage. A couple of friends in the restaurant business have told me: Never open a restaurant if you don't own the building.
Feudal serfdom is the original Uber.
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the danger in our agricultural policy is that large farms are favored (through subsidies, tax breaks, regulation, etc.) to an extent that small farms can't exist profitably, even charging higher prices at market. While there is a minimum viable farm size (given the need for modern machinery to automate the process), most likely, it probably isn't nearly as large as what our current set of incentives enforces.…
"large farms are favored (through subsidies, tax breaks, regulation, etc.)" Can you share any examples of these things that specifically favour large farms? The two books you mention seem to be focused mainly on different issues (corn subsidies, large scale feeding, food labelling, ethics, ...).
It takes the form of favoring monoculture farms (where economies of scale are more pronounced, but also the environmental impact is largest), or requiring significant compliance expenses and bookkeeping that smaller farms cannot handle (because the cost of bureaucracy is often fixed, so it is relatively higher the smaller the farm), or have been designed to favor farms in specific regions (where the majority of farmable land is already owned by a few large farm corporations).
This is one of the better sourced articles on the subject I could find in a quick googling (interestingly, it comes from a libertarian think tank, which makes them interesting bed fellows with the food justice and local farms movement): http://www.downsizinggovernment.org/agriculture/subsidies
Here's one from another, more left-leaning, source (but with almost no references, just opinion): http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/03/01/dont-end-agr...
The Michael Pollan books (specifically, The Omnivores Dilemma) do actually cover this in some detail, as well, and with good references, though it is a small part of the book.
I'm surprised so many people on HN think it is even a little controversial to suggest that large farms are favored by current regulation, enough that several people are requesting references. I kinda thought it was widely known. So, that's an interesting bit of news for me.
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#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the danger in our agricultural policy is that large farms are favored (through subsidies, tax breaks, regulation, etc.) to an extent that small farms can't exist profitably, even charging higher prices at market. While there is a minimum viable farm size (given the need for modern machinery to automate the process), most likely, it probably isn't nearly as large as what our current set of incentives enforces.…
through subsidies, tax breaks, regulation, etc I'm genuinely curious whether this is actually the case. Can you cite some examples? My google-skills don't seem to be adequate.
In particular, sugar should be taxed like tobacco, with a sin tax, rather than subsidized. But that's not what we do.
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I suspect that is temporary. The bureaucracy is already very large in the pot industry, and will grow with time...the big players will guarantee regulators stack the deck in their favor. As legalization spreads across the country, growing will be concentrated in a few areas where it grows most easily and with the cheapest labor and most favorable legal climate (just as tobacco is concentrated in a few places). The bi…
I think the marijuana industry will more resemble the wine industry. Large bulk producers will cover the cheap end of the market but there will still be many highly respected small players.
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#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the danger in our agricultural policy is that large farms are favored (through subsidies, tax breaks, regulation, etc.) to an extent that small farms can't exist profitably, even charging higher prices at market. While there is a minimum viable farm size (given the need for modern machinery to automate the process), most likely, it probably isn't nearly as large as what our current set of incentives enforces.…
through subsidies, tax breaks, regulation, etc I'm genuinely curious whether this is actually the case. Can you cite some examples? My google-skills don't seem to be adequate.