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The rise and decline of Wikipedia [pdf]

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Re: The rise and decline of Wikipedia [pdf]

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That's different enough from VestedContributor that you should give it a name and write it up. http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/VestedContributor VestedContributors think the rules can be bent for them because they've been around so long and done so much good work.

Write up what? Sandworm's syndrome of the progressive dysfunction inherent to hierarchical volunteer communities? Talk to anyone who has worked as a volunteer coordinator. They see this all the time. As for keeping volunteers equal to avoid the problem, that need not mean keeping everyone identical. Leadership roles can rotate, with finite term limits. That way every leader today knows they will be the underling tomo…

Hey, the founding mission of wikipedia is to publish stuff that every expert knows, to inform novices.

Re: The rise and decline of Wikipedia [pdf]

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post #76

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> Wikipedia is good for historical references (pre 1900 or so), and a good place to start if you just don't know anything about the thing you're looking up. Whenever I see people say stuff like this I mentally replace what they said with "Wikipedia is a general-knowledge encyclopedia." Not a dig at you, but this should have always gone without saying.

The problem is wikipedia is wrong and/or incomplete more often than a general knowledge encyclopedia.

IIRC research has shown that this isn't true. Britannica had a higher error rate. It is flatly absurd to claim that wikipedia is less complete than any other encyclopedia,which are all under 1% its size. Wikipedia's isn't 99% anime junk.

Re: The rise and decline of Wikipedia [pdf]

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Eh, it went from a interesting novelty, to a incredible community, to a petty bureaucracy. My personal experience is that under the crowdsourcing model the well meaning non experts outnumber the real experts and it's hard to police them while treating all as equals. In short, democracy brought content toward mediocrity. Now it's dangerous to use it but for a cursory introduction to any in depth content, while non fac…

> interesting novelty, to a incredible community, to a petty > bureaucracy. One line summary of the history of the United States ?

It may be a property of democracies scaling, the pattern is indeed common.

Re: The rise and decline of Wikipedia [pdf]

#154

Eh, it went from a interesting novelty, to a incredible community, to a petty bureaucracy. My personal experience is that under the crowdsourcing model the well meaning non experts outnumber the real experts and it's hard to police them while treating all as equals. In short, democracy brought content toward mediocrity. Now it's dangerous to use it but for a cursory introduction to any in depth content, while non fac…

> interesting novelty, to a incredible community, to a petty > bureaucracy. One line summary of the history of the United States ?

It may be a property of democracies scaling, the pattern is indeed common.

Re: The rise and decline of Wikipedia [pdf]

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post #49

I used to contribute a lot when I was younger and had more free time but I might have kept that up if not for the change that happened in the late 00s when the higher ups decided that wikipedia has too much content and started streamlining by simply deleting whole sections. I am not talking about when citations became a stricter requirement and the quality in general became more of a focus - that came later. I think…

Exact same experience here, though I'm still an admin and contribute here and there, the politicking has deeply sapped my enthusiasm.

Re: The rise and decline of Wikipedia [pdf]

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Eh, it went from a interesting novelty, to a incredible community, to a petty bureaucracy. My personal experience is that under the crowdsourcing model the well meaning non experts outnumber the real experts and it's hard to police them while treating all as equals. In short, democracy brought content toward mediocrity. Now it's dangerous to use it but for a cursory introduction to any in depth content, while non fac…

Good, fast, cheap: choose at most two. High quality, large system, lightweight dev process: choose at most two.

Totally agreed. "Pick two" is a good archetype from which one can direct the decision-making process of those "above" one's self in an organization.
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