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Re: The Developer Formerly Known as FreeBSDGirl

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Post by dietrichepp »

geofft wrote: post #115
dietrichepp wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry, but this post (yours) and the original post (kev009's) seem like unreasonable exaggerations. Emphasis on the "unreasonable". Unreasonable exaggerations of other people's viewpoints fosters low-quality discussion, which is why I don't like it. Banning is a common response to harassment. Hacker News uses it, we even have multiple types of banning, including the shadowban and hellban. We know that "crucifixio…

Yeah, "ultimatum" is a somewhat strong word. I do want to be clear that I don't mean that it was in any way an ridiculous request/demand/ultimatum: expelling them from the community would in my opinion have been the right thing to do, and in my opinion is an entirely fair thing to insist on and not be willing to compromise on. What I mean to convey is that, if someone makes a demand that they're unwilling to compromi…

I simply didn't get the idea that she was unwilling to compromise or discuss the matter, apparently you got a different impression.

And I think it is—unfortunately—normal for a healthy community to discuss banning users who harass others, because users who harass others are everywhere, until they are kicked out.

Re: The Developer Formerly Known as FreeBSDGirl

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Post by InclinedPlane »

fche wrote: post #100
Tomte wrote: post #3

She's talking about some guy and his "campaign to legalize rape". I thought she was exaggerating or maybe misunderstanding something. Sure, this guy is probably an asshole, but legalizing rape, come on! I followed the link and... it is kind of almost entertaining. He means it. Literally. You can't stop reading that trainwreck of an argument, because it gets worse and worse. And then you've lost all hope in mankind. I…

"He means it. Literally." No, rooshv was dripping with sarcasm.

Some things you can be sarcastic about, legalizing rape is not one of them, period.

Re: The Developer Formerly Known as FreeBSDGirl

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Post by scholia »

5F36B5F62640 wrote: post #151
DanBC wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I find it amusing that someone who has written a tool that allows you to filter out a specific block of individuals (as trollish as they may be) can write this post at all. The cynical side of me thinks the attitude shown here is, "Hear me, but here's a way you can systematically ignore people that I fundamentally disagree with". Give me your twitter handle, and your employer's email address, and I'll send 800 deat…

Her blocking tool is idiotic. It blocks people whose only offense it to follow more than one account on Twitter from a small list of accounts that she considers to be GG leaders. It ends up blocking many anti-GG people who are following those accounts because they want to know what their opponents are up to.

> It ends up blocking many anti-GG people who are following those accounts because they want to know what their opponents are up to.

Sad to hear that some Twitter users are not making the best use of its features. It's very easy to create a list of Nero and his flying monkeys, and you can add people to a list without following them.

You can keep the list private so nobody knows you're even doing it.

It's also much more efficient. In the normal use of Twitter (dipping into a stream), you are highly unlikely to see most of any account's tweets. With a list, you can see all the tweets you want whenever you want.

(Sorry this is off-topic, but it might help someone who hasn't used the Lists feature, which Twitter hides away.)

Re: The Developer Formerly Known as FreeBSDGirl

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Post by nske »

Before googling Randi's name with some relevant keywords I had no idea about the amount of people past puberty that are behaving like this. I was about to say that I'm glad I've never met their kind, but then I remembered that I actually have: in highschool.

No idea what happened to them, I assumed they grew up and the few that didn't, found their place at the very bottom of society that is not good for anything.

To them usually it's not really about genre, race or any particular property, their disturbed mentality causes them to look for ways to attack and inconvenience anyone they don't like for any reason. I actually think they're even looking for an excuse to find a target, because they are amused by the whole thing and it makes them feel good and important.

I can see how many of them would make it as gamers, I'm just surprised that a person like this would also make it as a FreeBSD committer.

I wonder why they silently forced him to turn his commit bit off, but they don't want to update their CoC or condemn this behaviour in public.

The stealth editing of the Trademark Policy to include this particular case (even though they missed the exception for old uses, which made that change pointless) also deserves some explanation, it's wrong.

Re: The Developer Formerly Known as FreeBSDGirl

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Post by fche »

InclinedPlane wrote: post #162
fche wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"He means it. Literally." No, rooshv was dripping with sarcasm.

Some things you can be sarcastic about, legalizing rape is not one of them, period.

I'm not saying it's tasteful or appropriate. But it's not "literal".

Re: The Developer Formerly Known as FreeBSDGirl

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Post by anu_gupta »

5F36B5F62640 wrote: post #150
Tomte wrote: post #3

She's talking about some guy and his "campaign to legalize rape". I thought she was exaggerating or maybe misunderstanding something. Sure, this guy is probably an asshole, but legalizing rape, come on! I followed the link and... it is kind of almost entertaining. He means it. Literally. You can't stop reading that trainwreck of an argument, because it gets worse and worse. And then you've lost all hope in mankind. I…

> I followed the link and... it is kind of almost entertaining. He means it. Literally. He means it in the same way Jonathan Swift meant that cannibalism should be legalized and the Irish should be allowed to sell their children as food in "A Modest Proposal" [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal

You can apologise for that inadequate scumbag all you want, but we both know that he does mean it.

Re: The Developer Formerly Known as FreeBSDGirl

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Post by makomk »

5F36B5F62640 wrote: post #151
DanBC wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I find it amusing that someone who has written a tool that allows you to filter out a specific block of individuals (as trollish as they may be) can write this post at all. The cynical side of me thinks the attitude shown here is, "Hear me, but here's a way you can systematically ignore people that I fundamentally disagree with". Give me your twitter handle, and your employer's email address, and I'll send 800 deat…

Her blocking tool is idiotic. It blocks people whose only offense it to follow more than one account on Twitter from a small list of accounts that she considers to be GG leaders. It ends up blocking many anti-GG people who are following those accounts because they want to know what their opponents are up to.

Her blocking tool is more than just idiotic, it was a toxic, polarising firebomb tossed into an already vicious war, one that forced everyone involved to pick a side and stop even listening to what the other side was actually saying and doing by blocking them from seeing one side unless they did. It forced everyone to base their views of the other side on the most vitrolic descriptions their own site could come up with. (For example, those of a certain Ms. Butts on the anti-GG side who started out by taking a thread where GG supporters unanimously told a transphobe to fuck off, edited out the replies, and spun it as proof GG was transphobic to rapturous applause and retweets, and continued on in that vein.) It's a perfect example of how technical solutions can make social problems worse.

Re: The Developer Formerly Known as FreeBSDGirl

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Post by Globrazu »

If you look at the actual facts of the matter you will see a vastly differing view of who was "harassed" and who was the "harasser" than this Blog post tries to paint, here's where most of this started: https://twitter.com/xmjEE/status/613083223086768128 https://archive.is/9KGyX

And here's a "discussion" on the matter between Randi, Colin and Johannes on /r/FreeBSD: https://archive.is/wH4Rg

Re: The Developer Formerly Known as FreeBSDGirl

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Post by makomk »

eeZi wrote: post #92
Pharaoh2 wrote: post #70

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For all the hate in GG, it's a anonymous/pseudo anonymous mob on the internet. It seems hate is the default language of the louder minority. Somehow, not surprising really, the loudest people are also the worst. On the pro-GG side, look at the supposedly pro-gg websites that have sprung up that sell things or review things basically do everything that they are saying the current status quo is doing wrongly or unethic…

Thank you for responding. > If you look at it from an outside perspective, both sides are right. That's kinda how it feels to me. In most of the conflicts I've read about, one side is right (look at this - if what she writes is true - and there's no reason for me to believe otherwise, how would you reasonably argue against that?, but then I read about "safe spaces" at universities and can only think how dumb of an id…

Honestly, the complaints about "safe spaces" at universities are largely bullshit. From what I've seen, most of the people who were supposedly "silencing" those they disagree with were actually trying to get as many people to read their opponents' views in full, because they think it can only help them. On the other hand, the articles complaining about "safe spaces" and "silencing" carefully avoid repeating what the person supposedly being silenced actually said, because they know it'll hurt their argument if - for example - they admit that a particular feminist wasn't welcome because she'd successfully campaigned for trans women to be denied access to rape counselling and domestic violence services.

I'm more worried about articles like this one. To give some context, the author of this article has a lovely habit of telling anyone she disagrees with to go kill themselves over on Twitter. She also thinks that complaining about this is harassment and has got Twitter support to force people to delete Tweets that do so in the past. For obvious reasons, some people thought this made her unsuitable to speak about online harassment. This article is her attempt to lump everyone who did so in with a literal rape supporter.

Re: The Developer Formerly Known as FreeBSDGirl

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Post by Globrazu »

scholia wrote: post #65
andallas wrote: post #17

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What does this have to do with GamerGate? This is a feminist talking about an MRA, neither of those things are GamerGate... I feel like you have conflated the issues a bit maybe?

She has, like a lot of women, been harassed by GamerGate. They actually sent a police SWAT team to break down her door (which they didn't). http://blog.randi.io/2015/04/03/swated/ She's been viciously attacked in Breitbart, a far right-wing site that championed GamerGate's hounding of women in tech. She also created a useful tool to block GamerGate hate attacks on Twitter. It's the sort of thing a lot of women could…

"She's been viciously attacked in Breitbart, a far right-wing site that championed GamerGate's hounding of women in tech."

How about you give links to these "vicious attacks" so people can actually look at them and make up their own opinions, it's not like they contain any proof that anyone is a serial harasser:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/06/29/harping-o...

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/07/23/freebsd-c...

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