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How A Great Product Can Be Bad News: Apple, iPad, and the Closed Mac

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Re: How A Great Product Can Be Bad News: Apple, iPad, and the Closed Mac

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This post adequately sums up my concerns. Here we have a device that doesn't support USB thumbdrives, doesn't support dropbox (at least system-wide, I assume the dropbox iphone app would work), is unable to run ruby or any of my other dev scripts/tools, cannot install firefox or firefox plugins, etc. I do not want to see computing head this direction.

Apple has always treated developers in a step-motherly fashion. A few years ago, java was not supported on OSX (early versions).

Re: How A Great Product Can Be Bad News: Apple, iPad, and the Closed Mac

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I bet someone at Apple is thinking hard about how could they seal the MacPro case too. It's the only system they sell that you are allowed to open and upgrade or tinker (beyond something limited like a RAM upgrade). Apple is no longer called Apple Computers because they will not sell computers anymore. They will sell closed devices with a closed software ecosystem. They will also sell the best devices money can buy.

What? They have clearly segmented the market, they're not taking a "let's seal everything" approach.

The Mac Pro is made for power users and developers, it's made very easy to open and add hardware to.

The iPhone is made for everyone on the planet who can afford it, it is made to be very easy to use for normal use cases and very hard to screw up to the point where someone needs someone else to fix it.

Re: How A Great Product Can Be Bad News: Apple, iPad, and the Closed Mac

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The revolutionary thing about this tablet is that it's not a Mac. Tablets have been around for a while and haven't caught on because nobody wants to buy a keyboardless laptop running a normal OS. If you are worried about openness, then look to Android. I'm sure we will see a plethora of Android tablets that will be like a large Droid/Nexus One just like this tablet is a large iPhone.

But the design will be shit and you won't have the user base.

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Re: How A Great Product Can Be Bad News: Apple, iPad, and the Closed Mac

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That Apple is creating a closed system is of little surprise. Steve Jobs is all about control. It works in the short term, but I believe it will bite them in the ass over the long-term. Making use of a closed-system and trying to be the best in a category assumes that you have access to the most brilliant minds in that field, and the most brilliant marketing campaign. What makes Apple great? Well, they can control ev…

> People hate being held down, forced into one category, etc.

Here's an alternative take on this (with a story). I recently saw Thomas Keller (chef and owner of Per Se here in NYC and French Laundry in CA, among others) talking about a new-ish restaurant of his in CA, Ad Hoc.

Ad Hoc has no menus. They make meals and serve them family style. You take what you want from the dishes provided. You have choice only within that range.

He argued that true luxury was the freedom from choice. Now in a political context, this is Orwellian and terrifying. But in the context of a meal, it made a lot of sense to me. Let a great chef do his or her magic, and I will try any damn thing they put in front of me and thank them for the privilege.

For us as hackers, computer use is more like politics. We want the openness to do what we want, to dig around, to break things and fix them again, to change things. For most people, however, computer use is more like a meal. Give them some great toys to play with and they won't mind the limitations at all.

Re: How A Great Product Can Be Bad News: Apple, iPad, and the Closed Mac

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the design will be shit and you won't have the user base.

"design will be shit"? I think that the Nexus One has eliminated that argument.

Only if the appearance of the physical hardware is all you care about.

Re: How A Great Product Can Be Bad News: Apple, iPad, and the Closed Mac

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This post adequately sums up my concerns. Here we have a device that doesn't support USB thumbdrives, doesn't support dropbox (at least system-wide, I assume the dropbox iphone app would work), is unable to run ruby or any of my other dev scripts/tools, cannot install firefox or firefox plugins, etc. I do not want to see computing head this direction.

My dad, mom, grandma, and grandpa can watch videos, look at photos of their kids/grandkids, send e-mails to their relatives oversees, and read their favorite books on it, all without the need for a "computer-savvy guy" who has to teach them how it works, and fix it when it's broken. In other words, it's a logical conclusion of the personal computer revolution. I understand you need to run your Ruby scripts, but this…

And how do you get that stuff on it without being able to plug in a USB drive?

Re: How A Great Product Can Be Bad News: Apple, iPad, and the Closed Mac

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post #4

The revolutionary thing about this tablet is that it's not a Mac. Tablets have been around for a while and haven't caught on because nobody wants to buy a keyboardless laptop running a normal OS. If you are worried about openness, then look to Android. I'm sure we will see a plethora of Android tablets that will be like a large Droid/Nexus One just like this tablet is a large iPhone.

But the design will be shit and you won't have the user base.

It's almost guaranteed that anybody who disses a product is very likely to have never tried it.

Likely they read it on some blog that it is shit and just believed it.

Re: How A Great Product Can Be Bad News: Apple, iPad, and the Closed Mac

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I agree with the article. I look more forward to a light weight Chrome netbook. I don't know if it is the offing or not, but perhaps a Chrome netbook could forgo a physical keyboard and have a popup virtual keyboard like my Droid (although that adds the expense of a touchscreen). Bonus points to hardware manufacturers: sell a Chrome netbook that looks like a iPad, but has a slide out physical keyboard like my Motorola Droid phone.

Re: How A Great Product Can Be Bad News: Apple, iPad, and the Closed Mac

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the design will be shit and you won't have the user base.

then make a better one

Such a false dichotomy.

"Oh, you're critical of this thing that you don't like? BET YOU CAN'T DO ANY BETTER!"

"No thanks, I have more money than time, I think I'll just spend the bux on the thing that does do it better"

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