From the article: "Hey, you, pay attention! This is important." Say that today and you won't hear anger or shame. You'll hear something like: "Wha...? Oh, sorry sir. My bad. I didn't mean anything." And they don't. They don't mean anything. They are not dissing you; they are not even thinking about you, ... I wonder what students think they are paying for, and what, indeed, they should be paying for.
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#12From the comments:
The key to this article is the explicit statement that administrators are aligned with students against faculty. I work at a major university, and my department head has often sided with students without even contacting me to hear my take on the incident. I get an angry email from him saying that a student complained that I say hello (Really! I didn’t say hello!), or that I must give a student the opportunity to do an assignment after the deadline, because she said it was impossible to do it for technical problems. In fact, though, 21 students had completed it successfully, despite the alleged technical problems. Still, I was ordered to allow the student to complete the assignment late, for full credit. I was never consulted, or I would have mentioned that the student spends most of class on facebook, among other things. Another time, a student sent him an email saying that I “diminished her” in class. The head sent her a passage from the student handbook saying that students are to take it up with the professor. She refused, saying that made her “uncomfortable.” Instead, the department head insisted on visiting my class to observe my teaching. At the time, I said that he was spineless -- that she had told him to jump, and he did. That may or may not have been correct, but I’ve since realized that backbone had nothing to do with it. Instead, the head was actively searching for opportunities to baby students. It explains, for example why I was told to teach a student to use a calculator that I do not even require in my class.
I feel like this professors experience is fairly consistent with what I know. I had six friends who all went into academia and education. Within a year nearly all had exited the profession and only two remained. They all cited the same thing - the over coddling of students by administration or faculty. The stories they told were eye opening to say the least. The crazy part? This was going on in the early aughts, nearly two decades earlier.
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#13From the article: "Hey, you, pay attention! This is important." Say that today and you won't hear anger or shame. You'll hear something like: "Wha...? Oh, sorry sir. My bad. I didn't mean anything." And they don't. They don't mean anything. They are not dissing you; they are not even thinking about you, ... I wonder what students think they are paying for, and what, indeed, they should be paying for.
Probably another boring humanities elective of dubious merit, being taught by someone whose adult life has been preoccupied with empty navel-gazing.
a world run completely by engineers is no place i want to live.
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#14I read "Gettin’ bodied by Classics: the joys and challenges of public scholarship" (to whose HN discussion I linked above) and thought, wow, cool, who is Hermes Trismegistus and what's the reference? Hey, those articles on exclusion, inclusion, and the ideas of citizenship from antiquity to today sound really interesting. Wow, a Princeton classicist doing something I can understand! I'm going to look at buying his book, this guy is rad. (Halfway through morning coffee, so excuse the shallowness of the thoughts.)
I read this OP and started rolling my eyes again. Right, right, kids these days, telling kids to think about their Halloween costumes is so PC (telling kids to think! can't have that! wait, next paragraph he wants kids to think, just about something else). As I continued to read, I realized why we have such different experiences in part: I teach math. I can see that my students did learn something this semester. Now most of them can discuss geometric Brownian motion. That's cool. As the author here says,
Many of the engineers who were painted purple during frosh week are now running the institutions where we teach. And they weren’t kidding when they were pissing on our guitars in the quad. It was a promissory note on the future — a future they could feel in their bones belonged to them, not us.
I'm one of them -- the heathen, uneducated STEM people! If I call his thoughts about Camus "fluff" he no longer has any defense! Needing to be polite in his response renders him... gosh, impotent? in the face of such trenchant criticism. Hm.
Things are different on the STEM side of campus than the classics side. Many on that side say that they're terrified of their students (http://www.vox.com/2015/6/3/8706323/college-professor-afraid) but it seems to me that these folks are terrified of discussion -- and the other thing to note is that every single one of them brings up the fear of losing their job over a discussion. It's curious, in one of the only professions in the world with tenure. Why are all these guys afraid of losing their job for challenging the PC SJW orthodoxy or whatever? For professors with tenure, this is a fear entirely unsupported by statistics. The only case even marginally close is when Salaita had a job offer withdrawn because of his views on Israel and Palestine, and I think he was on what would be stereotyped as the PC side at the moment. So, tenure gives golden handcuffs -- you can't move institutions -- but you'll still have your job even if you're a grump.
Ok, so why are these profs on the liberal arts side scared? Because of the adjunctivization of higher ed -- no tenure for most (including me). One great discussion here: http://www.vox.com/2015/6/5/8736591/liberal-professor-identi... Because of the corporatization of higher ed: more discussion here. http://www.slate.com/articles/life/education/2015/05/college... Because the STEM and business profs are "winning," as the OP said. Because he can't see his own relevance anymore, unlike Dan-el Padilla Peralta. Because he can't connect with his students anymore.
It's hilarious that these problems are so acutely felt when more American kids than ever feel required to go to college. The audience is bigger than ever. That means the message can't be as niche, but this is still an opportunity. Hate online education? Why, and what are you going to do about it? Hate telling students they should be thoughtful when considering cultural appropriation? Have the cojones to join the discussion in a more substantive way than "overcoddled kids these days!"
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#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
Kids these days. We were so much better.
With the massive escalation in fees, and the ubiquity of phones, with instant access to Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, and more, do you really think things haven't changed?
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#16In all honesty this writer sounds utterly curmudgeonly. He writes passionately about what "real education" is, dispenses some good ol' Hard Facts About Life, and urges us all to put down those dang computer-devices and just learn ! This is classic finger-pointing, angsty whining. I'm sorry, but the conceit here flagrantly disregards modern reality. Learning is easier now than it's ever been. People don't need to give…
He is constantly complaining about "declining academic standards" but provides no quantitative evidence to back his claim. Grade inflation is likely a problem, simply because if one institution does it all are forced to inflate along with it or risk devaluing their degrees, but it's incredibly difficult to quantify. Incoming students have the higher standardized test scores, a huge belt of tools between the internet and computers, and an unprecedented network of peers for when the tools are sufficient. Should we surprised scores tend to rise, is it the university's responsibility to crank up the difficulty and keep averages as they were in the 80s? These are the questions dinosaurs like the OP can't and won't answer.
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#17The main point which hit home for me was that the students are running the asylum now and there is no respect for the professors or faculty attempting to teach them. From the comments: The key to this article is the explicit statement that administrators are aligned with students against faculty. I work at a major university, and my department head has often sided with students without even contacting me to hear my t…
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#18From the article: "Hey, you, pay attention! This is important." Say that today and you won't hear anger or shame. You'll hear something like: "Wha...? Oh, sorry sir. My bad. I didn't mean anything." And they don't. They don't mean anything. They are not dissing you; they are not even thinking about you, ... I wonder what students think they are paying for, and what, indeed, they should be paying for.
They are paying for a piece of paper, with their name written on it.
In all seriousness though, this is not a liberal problem. Its just that universities just don't provide the cost to benefit ratio that they once did over alternate mediums of learning.
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#20The main point which hit home for me was that the students are running the asylum now and there is no respect for the professors or faculty attempting to teach them. From the comments: The key to this article is the explicit statement that administrators are aligned with students against faculty. I work at a major university, and my department head has often sided with students without even contacting me to hear my t…