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In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

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Waiting can have a downside as well. The first thing the NRA will do after a shooting is call for a "meaningful discourse" and for all the facts to come together. They stonewall for a few weeks, weathering the storm of emotion, and then hold a press conference saying that the tragedy would not happen if there were more guns everywhere. I personally believe there's a threshold for immediate groundswell of action, but…

Posts like this seem to presume the NRA is wrong in their assessment, but I simply can't see 140 people getting slaughtered at a French concert had a few of them been able to fight back.

Given my political bias, I used the NRA as my first example of stonewalling but I should have included the right-wing perspective as well so that we don't get too far off-topic.

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Here is what he did: 1) He tried to break into someone's home. 2) He fought with the police who were called by the homeowner. 3) He was drunk. 4) He returned to the same neighborhood and banged on another door; subsequently arrested 5) He died the next day, after the previous incidents.

Can you provide anything to support that particular narrative? Or any narrative at all?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is an alternative idea that the police accidentally killed him and are trying to make it look like a suicide. They probably had his phone after all. I'd like to see if twitter can get up geocoded info on where those tweets were sent from... If it's the police station rather than Mr Murdock's house... What happens in a case like this where the police are possibly suspects in a death?

>> What happens in a case like this where the police are possibly suspects in a death? Normally if someone dies while in the custody of police there is automatically an inquest as to what happened. If there's evidence of mistreatment or abuse, the District Attorney can then decide to send the case to a grand jury and let them decide whether they should charge the officers involved. The DA can also indict and charge t…

Murdock didn't die in police custody and did not die until the day after the events with the police took place. Those events took place because he tried, twice, to drunkenly break into a residence and that resident, or residents, called police.

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>mugged by thugs. Or Police. Maybe there isn't a difference between the last two.

I find it incredibly distasteful to offer this political commentary in response to a death that has no information about the cause. Please don't ever do this again.

Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

#346

>mugged by thugs. Or Police. Maybe there isn't a difference between the last two. I find it incredibly distasteful to offer this political commentary in response to a death that has no information about the cause. Please don't ever do this again.

perhaps this is political commentary in response to recent american history, and not limited to these alleged events.

Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

#347

>mugged by thugs. Or Police. Maybe there isn't a difference between the last two. I find it incredibly distasteful to offer this political commentary in response to a death that has no information about the cause. Please don't ever do this again.

I find your regime boot-licking incredibly distasteful. Please don't ever do this again.

Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

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I meant to say, let's fight criminals tomorrow or wait for the family to release more information. Also please note this message on Debian's site from his family: "His family has asked for privacy during this difficult time and we very much wish to respect that." https://bits.debian.org/2015/12/mourning-ian-murdock.html

> let's fight criminals tomorrow Given that Ian's twitter pointed the finger at law enforcement for inciting this, what you are really saying is let's give the police time to cover up the details of what happened, obscure or destroy evidence, recruit prosecutors to their defense, and wait for months or years while an alleged internal investigation occurs. A close relative of mine committed suicide. It was a difficult…

Nobody here is in a position to second-guess his family. We know nothing but what we've read on the Internet.

Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the contrary: let's dig up all the links we can so that we can find out who was responsible, and prevent it from ever happening again. Just before he died, Ian had said he was going to devote the rest of his life to fighting police brutality: http://pastebin.com/dX3VSPkM Not only would we dishonor his memory by not digging up links and making speculations about what happened (did he commit suicide, possibly due to…

I should probably post this on a throwaway... but this hit somewhat close to home. A few years ago I was going through a very tough time. I lived in the UK at the time and went to california for a meetup. After even more personal crap happened, I went on a walk seriously considering suicide. Kept trying to call friends, family, nobody picked up, it was the hardest day of my life to get through. Next thing I knew I fo…

Long story short, a vengeful ex-girlfriend had me put in 72 hour mandatory psych evaluation twice because she didn't want me to break up with her. She claimed I was threatening to kill myself when that wasn't the case.

The first time, I freaked out and had to be held down by a group of people, including an orderly that purposely hurt me and left a large bruise on my shin after pushing it downwards against a metal bar off of a hospital bed. I was shot up with morphine to calm me down and then strapped in to a bed - and all I recall after that is waking up in the morning to someone staring at me from the door way. Supposedly, action was taken against the orderly - but I have no guarantee or follow up on that. Additionally, when the police originally arrived at my apartment, two officers searched it looking for a weapon (they found a steak knife that had fallen next to the stove which they questioned me about - I don't even remember it falling there - could've been there for a while) - I am pretty sure they had no right to search my place, but I could be wrong.

The second time, I was forced to take double the dose of the medication I normally took for anti-anxiety/depression which actually caused me to hallucinate while I was locked up. This 72-hour hold actually lasted much longer because the staff psychiatrist left for an extended Thanksgiving weekend, so it came out to 5 days.

It truly worries me how bad of an experience this was. I met some interesting people with interesting issues during these two brief experiences - but I don't see how they were being provided with the help they actually needed.

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#350

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I should probably post this on a throwaway... but this hit somewhat close to home. A few years ago I was going through a very tough time. I lived in the UK at the time and went to california for a meetup. After even more personal crap happened, I went on a walk seriously considering suicide. Kept trying to call friends, family, nobody picked up, it was the hardest day of my life to get through. Next thing I knew I fo…

Never call the cops. Police due two things: apply force and file paperwork. If you have a medical or person problem, the police are not who to call. Sadly, that meand you can't call 911 either, you have to find the phone number for MEDICAL support.

so 911 is not police, fire or ambulance in the US?

what do you ring if you need firefighters or a doctor?

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