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In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

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Post by driverdan »

huac wrote: post #307
r721 wrote: post #179

>Michael Morisy filed this request with the Federal Bureau of Investigation of the United States of America. >From: Michael Morisy >Subject: None >To Whom It May Concern: >This is a request under the Freedom of Information Act. I hereby request the following records: >A copy of the FBI's files on computer programmer Ian Murdock (28 April 1973 – 28 December 2015). https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-…

Is it common practice for the govt to release FBI files on people? Or, if it is, with this little delay?

Once someone dies anyone can submit a FOIA request for their records.

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Post by zouhair »

kragen wrote: post #38
rdtsc wrote: post #19

Please let's not dig up links or make speculations about what happened. He was the founder of the Debian project, let's remember him for that or other contributions he's made to the tech community. Debian has grown to be one of the most well known and popular Linux distribution, used in production, in the cloud, as the base for SteamOS, Ubuntu and other projects. It is and was a major part of what made Linux popular.

On the contrary: let's dig up all the links we can so that we can find out who was responsible, and prevent it from ever happening again. Just before he died, Ian had said he was going to devote the rest of his life to fighting police brutality: http://pastebin.com/dX3VSPkM Not only would we dishonor his memory by not digging up links and making speculations about what happened (did he commit suicide, possibly due to…

https://archive.is/4a138

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Post by anupamsr »

The most surprising this I find is that there is a person who is known all over the world and who announces to the whole world that he is going to commit suicide and yet there is no support system in place to help him. Is there not a single person who knew where he lived? Who could have visited him? Who could have called him? What a shameful society you guys live in?

This is where women are smart. Random women support random women but men... what a shame...

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Post by puredemo »

hitekker wrote: post #288

Waiting can have a downside as well. The first thing the NRA will do after a shooting is call for a "meaningful discourse" and for all the facts to come together. They stonewall for a few weeks, weathering the storm of emotion, and then hold a press conference saying that the tragedy would not happen if there were more guns everywhere. I personally believe there's a threshold for immediate groundswell of action, but…

Posts like this seem to presume the NRA is wrong in their assessment, but I simply can't see 140 people getting slaughtered at a French concert had a few of them been able to fight back.

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Post by puredemo »

minimaxir wrote: post #2

Previous thread about Ian Murdock: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10803924 This news is, tragically, new information. :(

And this is exactly why I have such a deep distaste for typical forum "moderation"

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10804163

Dang seemed to presume that everyone here would just "gawk" at Ian's issues. He assumed that Ian's cries for help would be responded to in bad faith.

Had "Dang" simply left the post alone, it's very likely that some people here could have touched base with Ian and prevented this suicide from happening.

Instead the thread was deleted, for no reason other than a moderator unilaterally decided to remove it based on prejudice. Now Ian is dead without anyone here being given a chance to intervene, when they would have had the opportunity if the thread front-paged.

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Post by ladadadabing »

Grishnakh wrote: post #323
orionblastar wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can tell you that the police don't treat the mentally ill very well. They are not trained in helping out the mentally ill. I got a friend who is mentally ill and is homeless sometimes, police beat him up and arrested him for being at a McDonald's on his Macbook. He was in jail for a year, gave him the wrong psyche meds, kept delaying his preliminary hearing until he had to plead guilty to get out of jail. Charged w…

>I can tell you that the police don't treat the mentally ill very well. They are not trained in helping out the mentally ill. The problem isn't training. You don't need training to be nice to people and not beat them senseless, nor do you need to be a genius to see when someone is having mental problems, or to know that being an asshole to someone who's clearly suicidal isn't helpful. The problem is that the police i…

The only people who think the police are evil are uneducated knuckle draggers whose total education is TV "news" and the internet while surfing the web in their mother's basement.

You are an imbecile.

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Post by ladadadabing »

orionblastar wrote: post #228
ultramancool wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've got an idea if someone really wants to go on a hunt... This might seem incredibly nosy, but I don't think it would be too personal - check RadioReference for his city, they archive police scanner feeds, if you pay them a little, you can access the archives. If something happened and he was having some sort of mental health or drug problem, hopefully that would be mentioned, if something really did go down with t…

I can tell you that the police don't treat the mentally ill very well. They are not trained in helping out the mentally ill. I got a friend who is mentally ill and is homeless sometimes, police beat him up and arrested him for being at a McDonald's on his Macbook. He was in jail for a year, gave him the wrong psyche meds, kept delaying his preliminary hearing until he had to plead guilty to get out of jail. Charged w…

The police were called because he was drunk and trying to break into someone's home. Then returned and was banging on another door. He died the next day, and not in police presence, but you want to blame the police for his actions? His actions which caused at least two citizens to fear danger to themselves that they felt they needed protection from him? This is all the police' fault?

May I ask your age and education level? Do you always blame others for your actions and when bad things happen to you? Especially those things that offend others in your neighborhood and among friends?

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Post by ladadadabing »

orionblastar wrote: post #228
ultramancool wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've got an idea if someone really wants to go on a hunt... This might seem incredibly nosy, but I don't think it would be too personal - check RadioReference for his city, they archive police scanner feeds, if you pay them a little, you can access the archives. If something happened and he was having some sort of mental health or drug problem, hopefully that would be mentioned, if something really did go down with t…

I can tell you that the police don't treat the mentally ill very well. They are not trained in helping out the mentally ill. I got a friend who is mentally ill and is homeless sometimes, police beat him up and arrested him for being at a McDonald's on his Macbook. He was in jail for a year, gave him the wrong psyche meds, kept delaying his preliminary hearing until he had to plead guilty to get out of jail. Charged w…

The police were called because he was drunk and trying to break into someone's home. Then returned and was banging on another door. He died the next day, and not in police presence, but you want to blame the police for his actions?

Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

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Post by ladadadabing »

Here is what he did:

1) He tried to break into someone's home.

2) He fought with the police who were called by the homeowner.

3) He was drunk.

4) He returned to the same neighborhood and banged on another door; subsequently arrested

5) He died the next day, after the previous incidents.

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