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In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

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Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

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Post by hitekker »

snowpanda wrote: post #227
murricaFsckYeah wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll leave some info here, some archived tweets. Last link for some context: https://archive.is/9HF4c https://archive.is/DcVrY https://web.archive.org/web/20151230193102/https://twitter.c...

Some more stuff : https://jackstormwriter.wordpress.com/ https://archive.is/F6woT Also found this comment by jackstormwriter on (a now deleted) website: ----------------------- Jay Daniels: I know Linus Torvalds owned a Macbook Air because he said he tried to install #Debian on it and failed. Godfather of #Linux uses a Mac! ----------------------- Seems like he wasn't very fond of Ian's project. https://i.imgur.com/5…

Not just a dislike of Debian, but jackstormwriter was enjoying some gleeful schadenfreude as well.

Prior to his death, Ian was briefly harassed by jackstormwriter: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CXguqJGWMAEYM0B.jpg:large

@jackstormwriter has since deleted those tweets and disabled his account. He also deleted jackstormwriter.wordpress.com.

I saved a copy of his "About" page for those interested here: http://www.filedropper.com/archive_77

While he seems just your typical incoherent troll, egging a person into their untimely demise is not something that should be forgotten.

Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

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Post by specialist »

jacquesm wrote: post #152
goddess_divine wrote: post #73

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This is even the case in Canada though. I tried to overdose when I was 16 and someone found me. The cops were unfortunately first on the scene and started screaming at me, calling me all sorts of horrible things. When the ambulance arrived they then handcuffed me to the ambulance bed while I was getting my stomach pumped. I could barely move at that point. The cops are poorly trained and incompetent. I agree, never t…

Canada has some of the worst and some of the best police officers that I've ever seen. City/local police: not so hot. RCMP on the whole probably the best police force that I've had contact with.

Often times, same dichotomy in the US. State Patrols are professionals, locals are bubbas.

Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

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Post by hitekker »

pincubator wrote: post #223

I was the OP who posted the first thread which was linking to his life-threatening tweet minutes after he posted it ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10803924 ). Unfortunately it got deleted just before reaching to frontpage because "We are not going to have a thread to gawk at a human being saying he might kill himself." Well, I was thinking exactly the opposite of gawking when I posted it. I wanted the communi…

> Well, I was thinking exactly the opposite of gawking when I posted it.

I suppose it depends on how much faith you have in the community, particularly in its worst elements. If there is not an outpouring of support (> 95% of the responses are positive), then broadcasting his calls for attention probably won't help and it may even further have hurt Ian.

I personally believe that our community would care for this person: an established man of merit in our little community and certainly not a insecure attention-seeker.

I agree your original thread should have not been deleted.

Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

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Post by hitekker »

skeetersneedum wrote: post #267
huac wrote: post #232

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i looked at their thread ~12h after; @jackstormwriter deleted the thread and tweeted something along the lines of 'never do this, but deleting tweets, blah blah'

This guy caught the exchange: https://twitter.com/dknake/status/682346660626886656

As evinced by words like 'jailhouse virgin', jackstormwriter was enjoying Ian's suffering. I don't see how he was being "helpful" or providing advice.

Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

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Post by mystikal »

mst wrote: post #244
DanBC wrote: post #132

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You make a bunch of speculation, use slurs ("he was clearly unhinged") to talk about him, and then wonder why people ask for privacy?

At least from a .uk idiomatic POV (or at least from mine), 'unhinged' is a description of a potentially temporary mental state (hence 'unhinged when' making sense as a conjugation) rather than an attempt to attack the mentally ill. I'm not fond of the speculation, though, but can find nothing to say about it beyond that that wouldn't merely be adding my own speculation and thereby exacerbating that aspect. Or: You ca…

Mental illness is primarily characterized by temporary states. Personally I don't think you can be "unhinged" without being mentally ill. It's better to use language that more accurately characterizes the situation, than something which is just a synonym for crazy.

Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

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Post by TeMPOraL »

rdtsc wrote: post #247
DanBC wrote: post #132

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You make a bunch of speculation, use slurs ("he was clearly unhinged") to talk about him, and then wonder why people ask for privacy?

That is exactly why I tried to admonish people in a top post to avoid doing this. Maybe it is just me being naive, but it seemed an "in memoriam" article would not be the place for this, and was hoping people would instead choose to share something positive about his life. But you know, internet happens...

I read the article, which says nothing about the cause of death. I decided to check HN comments, and I am grateful for various interesting facts about Ian, his life and accomplishments. But still, the main question on my mind is - what the fuck did happen? Maybe it's a bad part of being human, being curious about the reason for the tragedy. I suppose others also feel like this, and so speculations always start quickly.

Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

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Post by nailer »

pjc50 wrote: post #208
jacquesm wrote: post #170

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London police has a very good reputation. I've never had any dealings with them (despite many visits to London, a nice reflection on how they typically don't bug you without a reason) but from the people that I know that live there in general it seems like they actually take the 'protect and serve' bit to heart, contrary to many other police forces the world over.

While I'd much rather deal with the Met than any US police force, they're hardly universally loved - e.g. the riots after the death of Mark Duggan. It helps that they're mostly not armed, apart from all the guys standing around with MP5s defending public spaces from terrorists.

Duggan was a self confessed members of a drug dealing gang (Star Gang), was considered dangerous, and had a gun is his car when killed.

The Guardian were rightly forced by the PCC to retract their article that claimed Duggan was 'unarmed' and should feel ashamed of themselves for helping stoke that fire.

Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

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Post by mkhpalm »

raverbashing wrote: post #16
spb wrote: post #3

Also, for those who weren't previously acquainted: Ian was the "ian" in Debian, the Linux distro he created which is the basis for Ubuntu. He started work at Docker in November, which is why they are publishing this.

> the Linux distro he created which is the basis for Ubuntu I'm sure this sounds as vinyl scratching to a lot of ears Debian stands on its own, though that statement is correct

I think this is a good visualization for things like that:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_distribution#/media/File...

Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

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Post by Nrsolis »

purplerabbit wrote: post #48
Nrsolis wrote: post #39

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There has to be something else going on when a person is confronted by the police and they decide to arrest you. I can only imagine that he was agitated somehow and may have been either mentally unstable or intoxicated. Suicide is not a normal response to being locked up by the police for a few hours.

Agreed. He was definitely in a manic state, the poor guy.

From

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/12/30/ian_murdock_debian_f...

"According to the San Francisco police, officers were called to Steiner and Union St in the city at 11.30pm on Saturday, December 26, following reports of a man trying to break into a home – that man was identified as Ian Murdock. He reportedly fought with the cops, and was given a ticket for two counts of assault and one for obstruction of an officer. The techie had been drinking, according to the police logs. A medic arrived to treat an abrasion to Murdock's forehead, and he was released so he could be taken to hospital.

A few hours later, on Sunday, December 27 at 2.40am, police were called again to reports of Murdock banging on the door of a neighbor at the very same block. A medic arrived to treat him for any injuries at the scene. Next, the cops took Murdock to the county jail where he was held in a cell.

Murdock was bailed later that day, on Sunday, after a bond, said to be $25,000, was paid. He died the next day."

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