HN should be ashamed of itself (but it won't be). This thread is awful.
In Memoriam: Ian Murdock
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#272I don't know what happened to him. I know, even as a white male, I have been harassed by police. I fear police officers. I don't want to be around them. I broke up with someone, once I found out they dated a cop. I'm not going to speculate on that Tweet. I could see how a bad run-in with the wrong cop, could push a vunerable individual over the line. Yes, I know there's good cops out there. (I saved you a cliche?)
No matter what police or anytime does to you, once you get away from them, you have a community that will support.
You can always do better while you live than not.
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#273Super sad to hear about this, as the Debian project has been hugely influential on my life. (It's the reason I went to MIT and became a software engineer.) Rest in peace, Ian.
My involvement in Debian is part of what helped me become a programmer too. I didn't go to college for CS, so finding a group of smart people to learn from was hugely influential.
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#274Earlier quoted context omitted.
He said on Twitter that police beat him up once, and then a second time after following him home. I hope there is a real investigation, this is enraging.
In the UK, which is a common law country, the local coroner would be involved with any death that was not expected (i.e. not an older person or someone who is terminally ill and under medical care) or in which there are suspicious circumstances. That process may involve a police investigation and, independently of that, there can be an inquest. Inquests have quite a history in the case of deaths in police custody in…
In Canada too. In Ontario, any death involving police automatically triggers an investigation by a police of police (Special Investigations Unit). Really shocking cases can lead to a public inquiry in parliament.
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#275Earlier quoted context omitted.
On the contrary: let's dig up all the links we can so that we can find out who was responsible, and prevent it from ever happening again. Just before he died, Ian had said he was going to devote the rest of his life to fighting police brutality: http://pastebin.com/dX3VSPkM Not only would we dishonor his memory by not digging up links and making speculations about what happened (did he commit suicide, possibly due to…
I should probably post this on a throwaway... but this hit somewhat close to home. A few years ago I was going through a very tough time. I lived in the UK at the time and went to california for a meetup. After even more personal crap happened, I went on a walk seriously considering suicide. Kept trying to call friends, family, nobody picked up, it was the hardest day of my life to get through. Next thing I knew I fo…
Never call the cops. Police due two things: apply force and file paperwork. If you have a medical or person problem, the police are not who to call. Sadly, that meand you can't call 911 either, you have to find the phone number for MEDICAL support.
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#276Well, it appears his arrest was real, not a delusion. This is all the information they had on VINE. https://www.vinelink.com/vinelink/detailsAction.do?siteId=50... Offender Name: IAN ASHLEY MURDOCK Offender ID/CDCR:608067 Date of Birth:04/28/1973 Age: 42 Race: White Gender: Male Custody Status: Out of Custody Date: 12/27/2015 Reason:Bonded out
That link redirects to the home page now, was that the only info?
Search first name "IAN" and last name "MURDOCK" in CA and you will find the page. Yes, the web page is very brief. No more information.
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#277Earlier quoted context omitted.
"This was very recent, and the facts are not yet in" Exactly. And yet you write "He was repeatedly beaten by the police" ... "this will be easily proven". Your post is incredibly irresponsible. You know nothing at all of what happened, all you have are the posts of someone having a mental breakdown. And you don't just stop at what he wrote on twitter. No, you continue with literally stuff from your own imagination: "…
> Exactly. And yet you write "He was repeatedly beaten by the police" ... "this will be easily proven". To "prove" also means to "test", so especially with the "facts are not yet in" statement that you quote, it seems charitable to assume that "this will be easily proven" was intended to mean "this will be easily shown to be true or false".
Yes, this is indeed what I meant.
(Although, the fact that something is very easy to test also makes it less likely to be claimed falsely. I would be extremely surprised if there wasn't a recorded hospitalization.)
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#278Earlier quoted context omitted.
He said on Twitter that police beat him up once, and then a second time after following him home. I hope there is a real investigation, this is enraging.
In the UK, which is a common law country, the local coroner would be involved with any death that was not expected (i.e. not an older person or someone who is terminally ill and under medical care) or in which there are suspicious circumstances. That process may involve a police investigation and, independently of that, there can be an inquest. Inquests have quite a history in the case of deaths in police custody in…
USA doesn't have an independent coroner with legal power like that. Police and District Attorney (local prosecutor) investigate deaths, including investigating themselves.
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#279Earlier quoted context omitted.
In the UK, which is a common law country, the local coroner would be involved with any death that was not expected (i.e. not an older person or someone who is terminally ill and under medical care) or in which there are suspicious circumstances. That process may involve a police investigation and, independently of that, there can be an inquest. Inquests have quite a history in the case of deaths in police custody in…
A suicide or homicide will almost certainly trigger a post-mortem. In the US the quality of the process varies widely by state. Some states have medical examiners, who are appointed and generally expert clinicians. Other states have a coroner system where the coroner is an elected position. Unsurprisingly states where the latter is true tend to have worse results.
Can the coroner do anything with legal force, or only inspect the body and file a report?
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#280I don't know what happened to him. I know, even as a white male, I have been harassed by police. I fear police officers. I don't want to be around them. I broke up with someone, once I found out they dated a cop. I'm not going to speculate on that Tweet. I could see how a bad run-in with the wrong cop, could push a vunerable individual over the line. Yes, I know there's good cops out there. (I saved you a cliche?)
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