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In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

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Post by mbubb »

dguaraglia wrote: post #65
samstave wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Without giving too much detail in public, police were called to my house and I had just finished putting my children to bed. The officer was talking to me and then asked me to step on the porch, after doing so they had asked if I had been drinking - I said yes I had wine with my dinner, why. They then arrested me and refused to tell me why - their exact words were "you know why" and took me to jail. I then had to bai…

Ugh. Assholes. The tactics you describe remind me of Matt Taibbi's book "The Divide", where he recounts the experience of people in NYC being asked to empty their pockets (which the police shouldn't do unless they had probable cause) only to be charged with "possessing narcotics in public" when they found they had a joint. The existence of such a loophole, and the fact that the police knowingly uses it with impunity,…

Good advice.

I had a non-tactical, non-aggressive knife in my pocket and ended up getting arrested. No previous trouble with the law... I was minding my own business on the subway.

Handful of court dates, a few grand and community service. For a tool.

Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

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Post by jacquesm »

goddess_divine wrote: post #73
scrollaway wrote: post #52

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I should probably post this on a throwaway... but this hit somewhat close to home. A few years ago I was going through a very tough time. I lived in the UK at the time and went to california for a meetup. After even more personal crap happened, I went on a walk seriously considering suicide. Kept trying to call friends, family, nobody picked up, it was the hardest day of my life to get through. Next thing I knew I fo…

This is even the case in Canada though. I tried to overdose when I was 16 and someone found me. The cops were unfortunately first on the scene and started screaming at me, calling me all sorts of horrible things. When the ambulance arrived they then handcuffed me to the ambulance bed while I was getting my stomach pumped. I could barely move at that point. The cops are poorly trained and incompetent. I agree, never t…

Canada has some of the worst and some of the best police officers that I've ever seen. City/local police: not so hot. RCMP on the whole probably the best police force that I've had contact with.

Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

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Post by _delirium »

rdtsc wrote: post #51
kragen wrote: post #38

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On the contrary: let's dig up all the links we can so that we can find out who was responsible, and prevent it from ever happening again. Just before he died, Ian had said he was going to devote the rest of his life to fighting police brutality: http://pastebin.com/dX3VSPkM Not only would we dishonor his memory by not digging up links and making speculations about what happened (did he commit suicide, possibly due to…

I meant to say, let's fight criminals tomorrow or wait for the family to release more information. Also please note this message on Debian's site from his family: "His family has asked for privacy during this difficult time and we very much wish to respect that." https://bits.debian.org/2015/12/mourning-ian-murdock.html

It's a bit ambiguous from the Debian post, but from the Docker post, it sounds like the request for privacy is a request that media and others leave the family alone personally, i.e. don't show up at their house, ring their phone off the hook, etc., rather than a request that nobody discuss the circumstances of the death publicly.

> If you would like to share your thoughts or condolences, Ian's family and the Docker family appreciate you sharing them by posting a comment on this page. Additionally, Ian's family has requested that well-wishers and press respect their privacy and direct all inquiries through Docker.

Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

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Post by cookiecaper »

vezzy-fnord wrote: post #31
raverbashing wrote: post #16

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> the Linux distro he created which is the basis for Ubuntu I'm sure this sounds as vinyl scratching to a lot of ears Debian stands on its own, though that statement is correct

It's probably the single most ported distribution, from a variety of remixes for desktop, netbook and recovery uses alike to usually being the first target for every microcontroller and single-board.

Debian even had a BSD flavor for a while. https://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/

Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

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Post by twic »

goddess_divine wrote: post #73
scrollaway wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I should probably post this on a throwaway... but this hit somewhat close to home. A few years ago I was going through a very tough time. I lived in the UK at the time and went to california for a meetup. After even more personal crap happened, I went on a walk seriously considering suicide. Kept trying to call friends, family, nobody picked up, it was the hardest day of my life to get through. Next thing I knew I fo…

This is even the case in Canada though. I tried to overdose when I was 16 and someone found me. The cops were unfortunately first on the scene and started screaming at me, calling me all sorts of horrible things. When the ambulance arrived they then handcuffed me to the ambulance bed while I was getting my stomach pumped. I could barely move at that point. The cops are poorly trained and incompetent. I agree, never t…

I was in an accident and emergency ward on a friday night in a central London hospital recently. Something that took me by surprise was the number of patients there in the company of the police. They were there to be treated for injuries, rather than mental health issues, but i was impressed by the conduct of the policeman attached to the very drunk guy in the bed next to me; despite the fact that the drunk guy was screaming and threatening people, the policeman patiently tried to get him to calm down, at one point promising him a cup of tea if he behaved himself, and then actually delivering on that promise.

I don't know if that was typical. I don't know if policemen treat drunks differently to the mentally ill. And god knows the Metropolitan Police are not exactly famed for their kind and gentle treatment of the denizens of the city. But in at least one case, a guy was okay.

Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

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Post by jacquesm »

gall wrote: post #141
minimaxir wrote: post #2

Previous thread about Ian Murdock: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10803924 This news is, tragically, new information. :(

Would the increase in time critical public awareness had that thread not been deleted have made a difference? Perhaps the chance that it could should outweigh the urge for propriety in future admin decisions.

That's an impossible thing to do right, you let it it it might turn ugly, you take it down you get this. Dang made the right call here, I've been in that position several times with camarades/ww.com and it is extremely un-nerving. The problem is that since the authorities were the apparent main cause of the problem here there would likely not be much positive effect from alerting them (something I did do in the cases where it might have made a difference and in at least one of those it did).

Police are one of the more blunt instruments in the toolbox. What possibly would have helped if someone close to Ian spotted this and would have done something about it but one can easily imagine that those people all follow Ians twitter feed and would already be better informed than any of us.

Secondguessing is easy.

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Post by vezzy-fnord »

cookiecaper wrote: post #156
vezzy-fnord wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's probably the single most ported distribution, from a variety of remixes for desktop, netbook and recovery uses alike to usually being the first target for every microcontroller and single-board.

Debian even had a BSD flavor for a while. https://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/

kFreeBSD is still alive, though not a formal Debian port.

Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

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Post by mochamocha5 »

finid wrote: post #82

In a tweet, he wrote that "@jacksormwriter wants me dead". I wonder who that is... Source at http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:le7oSCj...

I think it was a typo potentially meant to be '@jackstormwriter' who as of recently's account is now private, but everything before it still cached on google.
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