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How Completely Messed Up Practices Become Normal

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Re: How Completely Messed Up Practices Become Normal

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I actually come across this scenario quite often in retail outlets with poorly designed queue layouts (e.g. an H&M with with 2-4 registers behind a long counter and a single ad-hoc queue lined up in front of one of them). My reasoning is a little different (and a little more charitable I suppose in its generalization about human nature): I don't want to go step in front of the register with no one waiting in it becau…

I'm not sure I understand how that continues for very long. Once the clerks no longer have customers, they can just call people over and the queue will redistribute. If they're not doing that, presumably it's because they're doing something else that takes priority, like replacing the till or handling a problem with a previous transaction. It only seems like it would be a problem at businesses with bad staff.

In my experience, clerks tend to circumvent the issue by simply yelling out, to no one in particular, something like "Next in line!"

I've also noticed the acquired habit in more experienced retail staff, when confronted with a queue of indeterminate order, to say, "I can help the next customer in line" and leaving implementation of the next method as an exercise for the customers themselves.

FWIW, I find the best arrangement is a Fry's style mega-queue with boundaries clearly defined by racks of candy, magazines, or other impulse-purchase crap that feeds into multiple registers.

Re: How Completely Messed Up Practices Become Normal

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Einstein proved nothing like this.

Einstein proved that everything is truly relative, and depending on your particular velocity and place in the universe, fundamental things you perceive, and that others perceive about you, are totally and completely different. Perhaps I was being a bit too abstract, but I stand by my assertion.

You brought completely irrelevant point.

Re: How Completely Messed Up Practices Become Normal

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> well, we have some tweaks that didn’t make it into the paper. Every single time I've tried to implement a newish, reasonably complicated algorithm from a paper and contacted the authors when I've run into trouble, this is the reply I've gotten. How is it not normal? It's research after all, and if you've worked in research you should have a good idea how the paper mill works.

"How is it not normal?"

Because how the hell is anyone supposed to validate their findings?

Re: How Completely Messed Up Practices Become Normal

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The paper on "normalization of deviance" that this post links to is also really good. It's written from a medicine perspective, but its observations and conclusions are pretty generalizable. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2821100/

Diane Vaughn wrote about 'normalisation of deviance' in her book The Challenger Launch Decision. The original Space Shuttle SSRB design had redundant O-rings for safety, and while a small amount of O-ring erosion (from the hot gases of burning propellant) had been observed on several occasions prior to 1986, it had never resulted in failure, so after a while, they began to accept it as normal. But as Richard Feynman pointed out, those O-rings had never been designed to erode. The first time erosion was seen was a deviance; it indicated that the protective thermal putty was not doing its job, and should have been corrected then.

Re: How Completely Messed Up Practices Become Normal

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Sometimes a new person comes in saying "WTF WTF WTF Wtf wtf..." because you don't have the messed up practices that they expect.

Ah yes, writing tests, code reviews, and version control can be such a pain, why would you put up with these productivity killers?

Re: How Completely Messed Up Practices Become Normal

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Einstein proved that everything is truly relative, and depending on your particular velocity and place in the universe, fundamental things you perceive, and that others perceive about you, are totally and completely different. Perhaps I was being a bit too abstract, but I stand by my assertion.

You brought completely irrelevant point.

No I didn't...it's only irrelevant to you because you are not trying to understand what I'm saying.

Re: How Completely Messed Up Practices Become Normal

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This reminds me that I've acclimatised to one specific test in the PHP interpreter test suite always failing on OS X. I should go and make it either not run on OS X, or modify it so it will actually pass. That way, when someone eventually actually breaks that function, they'll notice.

Similarly, back when I used to maintain Stackless Python and do merges in from mainline Python, my benchmark was to only have the same set of failing tests post-merge for the same merged revision.

More often than not I would have failing tests in official Python release version tags, which became par for the course.

Re: How Completely Messed Up Practices Become Normal

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That seems like something that is worth (tactfully) screening for in interviews when given the opportunity to respond. So instead of asking "are you Kaizen?" you would ask about practices performed that imply Kaizen, including the spirit of the law and not the letter.

Yep - this is something that I'm thinking about actively. How do you start the conversation in an interview (as either interviewer or interviewee) that gives you insight into how people treat problems? Is their instinct more individual or systemic? Do they naturally look for improvement, or point fingers? I've had some success, but they're always very deep interviews, which can either be drastically good or quite sta…

I have often found that two things work well for this:

* have your antennae out for anything that seems weird (weak signals, indeed) in your conversations about the work

* check references (as an interviewee). That's a fancy way of saying, look to see if anyone you know knows someone who works there, who can give you the straight scoop.

Re: How Completely Messed Up Practices Become Normal

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Competitive eating is a great example of this. Never really thought this carried over in general to other forms of sport / competition.

The best example I can think of is in middle distance running, when Roger Bannister broke the 4 minute mile.

I think the best and most relevant example of this for the HN crowd might be Donkey Kong :-) Ever since the documentary "King of Kong" came out, and that douche Billy Mitchell's record was broken, there's been a stream of new records.

BTW if you haven't seen "King of Kong" you owe it to yourself to watch, regardless of whether or not you're a video game person. It's hilarious.

Re: How Completely Messed Up Practices Become Normal

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I appreciate your honesty, but I definitely would not want to work in a company where that was the prevailing attitude, nor would I hire someone who took that as their MO. It's a pragmatic policy for each individual, but it also leads to endless passing of the buck. "What can I do, I'm just a dev, the team lead should figure it out" turns into: "what can I do, I'm just team lead, the department head should figure it…

There are many reactions you can have to a lack of interest in your plan for organizational change. Quitting and moving on is definitely a contender. I am moving on, but I am taking the opportunity to accomplish several personal goals before doing so. My company would hate to see me disappear abruptly, and I've already got the go-ahead for a sizable consulting arrangement so they aren't left in a lurch.

Absolutely, there's always a balance between "voice" and "exit" options when it comes to organizations in need of reform. If you've been there awhile and feel like your voice just isn't being heard, exit is usually right move. And if you can exit gracefully, that's even better!
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