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In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

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#141

Previous thread about Ian Murdock: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10803924 This news is, tragically, new information. :(

Would the increase in time critical public awareness had that thread not been deleted have made a difference? Perhaps the chance that it could should outweigh the urge for propriety in future admin decisions.

Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

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post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He also literally said he was going to commit suicide, so perhaps we should stop speculating and wait for someone who actually has real information to share it. Seriously, if ever comment on this page containing the phrase "I believe" or "I think" was deleted right now, we would not lose any objective facts.

I'd strongly prefer to focus on honoring the memory of Ian, but... while googling, I found this page: (warning, it's a 4chan thread, overflowing with hateful comments) https://archive.is/2Cdj1 In there, horrible people are inviting other horrible people to go on twitter and troll (i.e. harass) Ian. If you're close to taking your own life, you want to be close to your loved ones, and the last thing you want is to get…

On a daily basis I see people making the most idiotic and insensitive comments backed by sophomoric reasoning, and it really hurts my hope. At the same time, I notice if I look for the good I seem to find a lot more, and it comes from typically much more intelligent/rational sounding people. Keep pushing forward the good. The kind of people who make it far in life will notice and follow, while the hateful juveniles will continue to fade out.

Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

#143
I worked with Ian when he was CTO and I was COO of the Linux Foundation. With the Executive Director, Jim Zemlin, and a few others, we helped build the LF from the challenging merger of OSDL and the Free Standards Group.

He was thoughtful, funny, hard working, and incredibly well-connected in the free (and commercial) software communities. I will miss him.

Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

#144
post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He also literally said he was going to commit suicide, so perhaps we should stop speculating and wait for someone who actually has real information to share it. Seriously, if ever comment on this page containing the phrase "I believe" or "I think" was deleted right now, we would not lose any objective facts.

I'd strongly prefer to focus on honoring the memory of Ian, but... while googling, I found this page: (warning, it's a 4chan thread, overflowing with hateful comments) https://archive.is/2Cdj1 In there, horrible people are inviting other horrible people to go on twitter and troll (i.e. harass) Ian. If you're close to taking your own life, you want to be close to your loved ones, and the last thing you want is to get…

It's called politically incorrect on 4chan?!?! What did you expect?

Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

#145
post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He also literally said he was going to commit suicide, so perhaps we should stop speculating and wait for someone who actually has real information to share it. Seriously, if ever comment on this page containing the phrase "I believe" or "I think" was deleted right now, we would not lose any objective facts.

I'd strongly prefer to focus on honoring the memory of Ian, but... while googling, I found this page: (warning, it's a 4chan thread, overflowing with hateful comments) https://archive.is/2Cdj1 In there, horrible people are inviting other horrible people to go on twitter and troll (i.e. harass) Ian. If you're close to taking your own life, you want to be close to your loved ones, and the last thing you want is to get…

> (quote from imurdock's twitter) Maybe my suicide at this, you now, a successful business man, not a NIGGER, will finally bring some attention to this very serious issue.

This sounds a lot more like 4chan trolls than it does one of the leading lights of OSS. I know people are trying not to speculate, but I wouldn't be surprised if his account was hacked. In any case, I think you can honor they memory of Ian and still try to find out what happened to him.

Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

#146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He said on Twitter that police beat him up once, and then a second time after following him home. I hope there is a real investigation, this is enraging.

In the UK, which is a common law country, the local coroner would be involved with any death that was not expected (i.e. not an older person or someone who is terminally ill and under medical care) or in which there are suspicious circumstances. That process may involve a police investigation and, independently of that, there can be an inquest. Inquests have quite a history in the case of deaths in police custody in…

Yes, a whitewash would never happen in the UK.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hutton_Inquiry

Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

#147

This was very recent, and the facts are not yet in. The best evidence we have to go on is his most recent tweets, captured on Pastebin ( http://pastebin.com/dX3VSPkM ). His Twitter account ( https://twitter.com/imurdock ) seems to have been deleted, which is extremely strange. Main notes: * He was repeatedly beaten by the police. He alludes to having taken photos of the injuries, and having been hospitalized, so this…

"This was very recent, and the facts are not yet in"

Exactly. And yet you write "He was repeatedly beaten by the police" ... "this will be easily proven".

Your post is incredibly irresponsible. You know nothing at all of what happened, all you have are the posts of someone having a mental breakdown.

And you don't just stop at what he wrote on twitter. No, you continue with literally stuff from your own imagination:

"I believe this was murder: he died from a head injury sustained at the hands of the police."

People's lives have been ruined many many times by other people jumping to conclusions before knowing all the facts. I don't know if jumping to conclusions will hurt anyone here, but you should NOT do it. Ever.

PS. This: "but he made clear future plans which weren't executed, so this will be a lie" does not in the slightest rule out suicide. People committing suicide almost always have future plans.

Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

#148

This was very recent, and the facts are not yet in. The best evidence we have to go on is his most recent tweets, captured on Pastebin ( http://pastebin.com/dX3VSPkM ). His Twitter account ( https://twitter.com/imurdock ) seems to have been deleted, which is extremely strange. Main notes: * He was repeatedly beaten by the police. He alludes to having taken photos of the injuries, and having been hospitalized, so this…

Who will investigate Ian's death? Will it be the same police that beat him up? Or their friends?

Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

#149
I love Debian, and all OSS/Linux stuff, and I'm just really really sad. I don't know why people want to speculate on all the twitter stuff. I'm just gonna be sad, and drink some whiskey, and make a toast to a guy who made my life, and millions of other people's lives richer by what he gave the world. To you, Ian. May you find peace and rest. Thank you.

Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

#150

This was very recent, and the facts are not yet in. The best evidence we have to go on is his most recent tweets, captured on Pastebin ( http://pastebin.com/dX3VSPkM ). His Twitter account ( https://twitter.com/imurdock ) seems to have been deleted, which is extremely strange. Main notes: * He was repeatedly beaten by the police. He alludes to having taken photos of the injuries, and having been hospitalized, so this…

I don't think you should go around and bandy murder accusations without more facts, as well as to get so far ahead of reality that you already know what the police will say. There simply are no facts to support any of this.

The only data there is is Ian's tweets and they are strongly indicating police brutality but nothing in there supports your murder allegation.

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