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In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

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Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

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Post by abtinf »

rdtsc wrote: post #51
kragen wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the contrary: let's dig up all the links we can so that we can find out who was responsible, and prevent it from ever happening again. Just before he died, Ian had said he was going to devote the rest of his life to fighting police brutality: http://pastebin.com/dX3VSPkM Not only would we dishonor his memory by not digging up links and making speculations about what happened (did he commit suicide, possibly due to…

I meant to say, let's fight criminals tomorrow or wait for the family to release more information. Also please note this message on Debian's site from his family: "His family has asked for privacy during this difficult time and we very much wish to respect that." https://bits.debian.org/2015/12/mourning-ian-murdock.html

> let's fight criminals tomorrow

Given that Ian's twitter pointed the finger at law enforcement for inciting this, what you are really saying is let's give the police time to cover up the details of what happened, obscure or destroy evidence, recruit prosecutors to their defense, and wait for months or years while an alleged internal investigation occurs.

A close relative of mine committed suicide. It was a difficult time and I empathize with the family's situation. However, assuming Ian's twitter posts bear some relation to reality and are not pure hallucinations, then the family is wrong to ask for privacy and space. To do so is to sacrifice justice for an imagined peace and to grant an undeserved mercy to those responsible.

Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

#102

Post by [deleted] »

cc81 wrote: post #100
georgemcbay wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the pastebinned tweets I've seen are really his then he was clearly unhinged when he made them. Whether that is due to head trauma or if the problems with the police came about because he was already having issues, I have no idea. Either way, while I totally understand his family's request for privacy, I do wish as a culture we felt more comfortable discussing things like this when they happen instead of basically…

It is probably not so much discussing health issues as them having lost a loved one and don't want the Internet probing them for questions about him.

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Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

#103

Post by leaveyou »

eliteraspberrie wrote: post #53
kragen wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the contrary: let's dig up all the links we can so that we can find out who was responsible, and prevent it from ever happening again. Just before he died, Ian had said he was going to devote the rest of his life to fighting police brutality: http://pastebin.com/dX3VSPkM Not only would we dishonor his memory by not digging up links and making speculations about what happened (did he commit suicide, possibly due to…

He said on Twitter that police beat him up once, and then a second time after following him home. I hope there is a real investigation, this is enraging.

Yes, the cops will give themselves a complete and impartial investigation like they always do in US. /s

Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

#104

Post by noobermin »

spb wrote: post #3

Also, for those who weren't previously acquainted: Ian was the "ian" in Debian, the Linux distro he created which is the basis for Ubuntu. He started work at Docker in November, which is why they are publishing this.

For a little on the history of Linux and unix in Mr. Murdock's life, I found this piece by him a very nice read.

http://ianmurdock.com/post/how-i-came-to-find-linux/

Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

#105

Post by pc86 »

abtinf wrote: post #101
rdtsc wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I meant to say, let's fight criminals tomorrow or wait for the family to release more information. Also please note this message on Debian's site from his family: "His family has asked for privacy during this difficult time and we very much wish to respect that." https://bits.debian.org/2015/12/mourning-ian-murdock.html

> let's fight criminals tomorrow Given that Ian's twitter pointed the finger at law enforcement for inciting this, what you are really saying is let's give the police time to cover up the details of what happened, obscure or destroy evidence, recruit prosecutors to their defense, and wait for months or years while an alleged internal investigation occurs. A close relative of mine committed suicide. It was a difficult…

To imply that the family is wrong for not wanting to discuss this publicly ~36 hours after it happened is disgusting.

Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

#106

Post by jimrandomh »

This was very recent, and the facts are not yet in. The best evidence we have to go on is his most recent tweets, captured on Pastebin (http://pastebin.com/dX3VSPkM). His Twitter account (https://twitter.com/imurdock) seems to have been deleted, which is extremely strange.

Main notes:

* He was repeatedly beaten by the police. He alludes to having taken photos of the injuries, and having been hospitalized, so this will be easily proven.

* His last tweet is "abcolucity i'll tweet it or twitch it or whenever the rufk can i have 30 minutes toe wtie my suittyes ?" This to me strongly suggests a head injury.

* "The rest of my life is to fight against the police.. they are NOT friends, so don't ever ever believe otherwise."

* "watch my blog later http://ianmurdock.com" "I'm not committing suicide today. I'll write this all up first, so the police brutality ENDEMIC in this so call free country will be known." There are no posts about this on his blog.

I believe this was murder: he died from a head injury sustained at the hands of the police. I also believe that the police will rule that it was a suicide; but he made clear future plans which weren't executed, so this will be a lie.

(EDIT: At some point in this saga, Ian's Twitter account got hacked. The deleted account, and the strange last tweet, were probably a result of that.)

Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

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Post by samstave »

specialp wrote: post #70
samstave wrote: post #55

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Without giving too much detail in public, police were called to my house and I had just finished putting my children to bed. The officer was talking to me and then asked me to step on the porch, after doing so they had asked if I had been drinking - I said yes I had wine with my dinner, why. They then arrested me and refused to tell me why - their exact words were "you know why" and took me to jail. I then had to bai…

Perhaps I could be wrong, but isn't bail returned when one successfully shows up in court until the matter is adjudicated regardless of the outcome? The only way bail is forfeited is when the defendant skips out on returning to court.

The bail was $25,000 - I don't have that in cash. I had to get a bond, and pay out of pocket $2,500.

Also, they keep bail, assuming I had paid it in cash in full, for "a year and a day"

The cops retain the "right" to charge you for 1 year.

Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

#108

Post by pc86 »

georgemcbay wrote: post #89
ultramancool wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've got an idea if someone really wants to go on a hunt... This might seem incredibly nosy, but I don't think it would be too personal - check RadioReference for his city, they archive police scanner feeds, if you pay them a little, you can access the archives. If something happened and he was having some sort of mental health or drug problem, hopefully that would be mentioned, if something really did go down with t…

If the pastebinned tweets I've seen are really his then he was clearly unhinged when he made them. Whether that is due to head trauma or if the problems with the police came about because he was already having issues, I have no idea. Either way, while I totally understand his family's request for privacy, I do wish as a culture we felt more comfortable discussing things like this when they happen instead of basically…

Nobody is trying to sweep anything under the rug but Christ, the man has been dead for less than 48 hours. I don't think giving people a few days or a week to process it and grieve is an unreasonable proposition.

Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

#109

Post by samstave »

jimrandomh wrote: post #106

This was very recent, and the facts are not yet in. The best evidence we have to go on is his most recent tweets, captured on Pastebin ( http://pastebin.com/dX3VSPkM ). His Twitter account ( https://twitter.com/imurdock ) seems to have been deleted, which is extremely strange. Main notes: * He was repeatedly beaten by the police. He alludes to having taken photos of the injuries, and having been hospitalized, so this…

Well, to be fair, he could have been really drunk or high as a cope with his angst... Only the autopsy can reveal head injury/substance presence.

EDIT: Have you never attempted to type anything on a keyboard/phone when really drunk? Its fucking HARD.

So to immediately conclude that he suffered from head trauma (as opposed to deep emotional trauma) is short sighted, and like I said can only be revealed (hopefully) in an autopsy.

Re: In Memoriam: Ian Murdock

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Post by cjbprime »

finid wrote: post #82

In a tweet, he wrote that "@jacksormwriter wants me dead". I wonder who that is... Source at http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:le7oSCj...

If I recall from reading the original, it was just someone who showed up and (I think sincerely helpfully) told him that if he wants retribution against the police, any lawyer would tell him to stop discussing the specifics of the case on social media.
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