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Major Linux Problems on the Desktop, 2016 Edition

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Re: Major Linux Problems on the Desktop, 2016 Edition

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Tried double-tapping in the article text to get it to reflow, and got one of those bogus popups claiming my phone is infected with a virus. Thanks for trying to make my new year interesting. :-(

Me too: my response was a) f@#$ this article/website and b) f@#$ Chrome for allowing websites access to the phones vibration and message pop-up window and C) closes Chrome

Re: Major Linux Problems on the Desktop, 2016 Edition

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It's true it has a lot of issues.

However, I just installed Ubuntu Mate and it is pretty damn decent. GUI is robust and sleep/suspend works perfectly.

Imagine a world where the Gnome3/Unity disaster didn't happen, and we'd be a lot better off on the desktop, as the last five years effort could have been directed to polish instead of reinvention, CADT style.

https://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html

Re: Major Linux Problems on the Desktop, 2016 Edition

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post #50

On Android this link seems to go to a malware site. Anyone else see that?

I had the same problem. I tried three different ways of getting into the link (copy link to chrome, googling link, and of course from here) with the same spammy popups. Ended up emailing the article to myself so I could read if from my desktop.

Re: Major Linux Problems on the Desktop, 2016 Edition

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As a daily user of Linux on the desktop for over 15 years, I can appreciate many of these complaints, but despite it's flaws Linux on the desktop is a pleasure to use and is better than any other options. This is a nice resource for kernel developers and OSS contributors who wish to make a difference and solve tough problems.

Same here. I'm so used to Ubuntu that Windows annoys me tremendously, which goes to show that a huge part of the user experience is familiarity with the environment.

In my experience some things work better on Ubuntu than on the last Windows version I used, Windows 7. Detection of wireless HP printers, for example. Some things are exactly the same. Finally, some things work slightly worse: drivers for 3D gaming are still a bit worse on Ubuntu (unless you luck out and find the one driver that runs wonderfully and doesn't require any magical incantations), and configuring everything to work just right with some games can still be a pain. Less demanding games are just fine, and I use my Linux laptop a lot for this (heavy user of GOG.com, Humble Bundle and Steam here!).

The jury is out on OS X for me. Using my wife's macbook drives me nut, mostly due to lack of familiarity. Some things are just as bizarre as with any Linux/Windows computer; for example, the other day I was advised to hard-reset the macbook because it wouldn't recognize any USB device... if this nice bit of WTF-ery had happened with Linux, the response would have been "what did you expect? Nothing 'just works' with Linux". But I guess computers will be computers regardless of the OS...

Re: Major Linux Problems on the Desktop, 2016 Edition

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Tried double-tapping in the article text to get it to reflow, and got one of those bogus popups claiming my phone is infected with a virus. Thanks for trying to make my new year interesting. :-(

The site auto-redirected to malware for me. Didn't have to click anything.

Re: Major Linux Problems on the Desktop, 2016 Edition

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I stopped using Linux as my primary desktop OS around 2012. Until then I was an Arch user with my own desktop environment built on StumpWM and a hodge-podge of hand-selected tools. There was no Gnome or KDE in my setup. I liked it quite a bit. I used Ubuntu on my laptops since I wanted to spend less time administering drivers and arcane configuration formats. This is a good list. I just got tired of the configuration…

My counterpoint: as a full-time Mageia user on my laptop/workstation since 2011, my linux configuration knowledge has atrophied to the point of near-uselessness.

Mageia is the first and only distribution I've ever tried that, on a variety of hardware, Just Works. Every hardware feature works out of the box, and with as little surprise as you'd expect (e.g. plugging in a monitor, using wifi out at a coffee shop, plugging in a printer). I've even done the distribution upgrades (e.g. version 3 to 4), which I was always scared of, and somehow those too just work. I literally cannot remember the last time I hand-edited a config file (not counting Apache configs on a Linode VPS with Ubuntu Server).

I've had a chance to use recent versions of OS X, and I even experienced more crashing (not a lot, mind, but my linux laptop never crashes) than on this stock HP with mageia.

Happy that you've found a solution that works for you, but I'm also extremely happy that I get to keep using Linux without spending one more second thinking about hand-editing configs! :)

Re: Major Linux Problems on the Desktop, 2016 Edition

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post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like a good way to cope with this, from a market standpoint, would be for Linux development to focus on specific laptop. If say, Dell, were to pay Ubuntu to test and verify for some of their specific laptops and then Ubuntu subsequently was able to list "100% Certified" laptops for purchase it could create an opening. Same thing with developing to put it on Apple laptops with that very specific hardware set, et…

Isn't this already happening? http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/desktop/

Well then. It's as if the people at Ubuntu are pretty smart and know what they're doing. :-)

Re: Major Linux Problems on the Desktop, 2016 Edition

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post #100
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is Tanenbaum going to have the last laugh?

Marginally off-topic, but Minix 3.3 runs the (almost) complete NetBSD userland now. To use X11 you have to compile the development branch, however. It's a real, POSIX-compliant, reliable microkernel that can run useful things now.

Which is cool and all, but the isolation is reportedly (USB driver crash) a very leaky abstraction and the entire thing is written in C. I'm cheering on Redox OS, which looks better from my very limited level of understanding.

Re: Major Linux Problems on the Desktop, 2016 Edition

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post #40

I don't know about this article. I bough a 3rd gen Thinkpad Carbon earlier this year and Ubuntu runs better than Windows 10 on it. Not a single crash. The only thing that doesn't work out of the box is the fingerprint reader. Not that it doesn't have some rough edges, but this is enormous progress compared to just a few years ago, and the fact that it runs better than the OS _the laptop was designed for_ is a testame…

A few years ago I wanted to buy a ubuntu laptop and while researching Thinkpads always came up as the best choice. So I guess your perspective may be a little skewed.

Re: Major Linux Problems on the Desktop, 2016 Edition

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I don't understand - I never see a mention of the biggest annoyance to developers on linux : consistent copy paste. It is a cognitive exercise to copy from the terminal or paste to the browser...or (the horror) copy from the terminal and paste on vim. It does not help that this works beautifully on the Mac. Is this not an annoyance to anyone else...and more importantly, considering all distros are now using libinput,…

Is the issue specific to terminal or are you seeing it somewhere else?

The issue is that the default terminal behavior of ctrl+c sends a SIGINT to the running application[1], and so terminal programs override it with shift+ctrl+c, and likely add the shift for the others for consistency.

I use "Terminator" as my terminal app - which allows you to set your keybindings - so I replace the "shift" in copy / paste and it's worked great for me for years. Unfortunately it doesn't allow you to override the SIG* keys, so it can be an issue when using `watch`, which removes your selection when it updates and then if you don't tap ctrl+x in time, it will send SIGINT the watch command, which is the exact opposite if what you want at that moment.

As for VIM, being sure you're in insert mode is essential no matter what OS you're using.

Is there anywhere else besides the terminal where copy / paste are inconsistent? I haven't seen any that I recall in quite a few years of Ubuntu on my desktop, laptop, media PCs, etc.

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control-C

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