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Our sons' student debt is delaying our retirement

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Re: Our sons' student debt is delaying our retirement

#11

$200k for journalism and media studies was a bad investment. It's a tough message, but you have to invest in education more intelligently than 'throw money at it and hope for the best'.

If you're paying that much for a degree, colleges usually have good contacts in the industry and can really give you a leg up on networking and finding job opportunities.

Re: Our sons' student debt is delaying our retirement

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Shouldn't it? They're under 60 and they cosigned on $200K of debt. If they really thought that that they could afford be retired right now, coming up with another $200K should only take a few years between the four of them.

They'd still be retiring earlier than anyone that I know who isn't wealthy. Ideally they'd have cut the taps at some point before their child spent $130K on a "journalism and media studies" degree in order to be an actor, but I understand that nobody's invented a time machine yet.

Re: Our sons' student debt is delaying our retirement

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A Bachelor's degree doesn't really do that much for you these days. It's become like a high school diploma was 30 years ago (which almost no one paid for). I keep trying to advocate that people not go so far in debt for a college degree. For med school or law school (although I would argue that this is not a great investment with the current glut of law school grads) it makes sense to go into debt of that size. But I…

Completely agree that degree should not be forced to get a job... US should keep the tradition job for skill than a degree otherwise USA will endup like India

Re: Our sons' student debt is delaying our retirement

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post #6

Never cosign a loan. There is one reason that lenders required a co-signer -- they know that the borrower is high risk for defaulting. If you can't afford or didn't save for college, go to a cheaper school. In-state tuition and fees at most state universities is more than it used to be but still generally under $10K a year. There is no reason to go into six-digit debt for an undergraduate degee. With very few excepti…

Given that you can't get out of student loan debt through bankruptcy, they're at basically no risk. It might take them your entire lifetime to collect, but they'll get it eventually unless you happen to kill yourself at a young age.

Re: Our sons' student debt is delaying our retirement

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post #11

$200k for journalism and media studies was a bad investment. It's a tough message, but you have to invest in education more intelligently than 'throw money at it and hope for the best'.

If you're paying that much for a degree, colleges usually have good contacts in the industry and can really give you a leg up on networking and finding job opportunities.

Good luck in journalism though.

Re: Our sons' student debt is delaying our retirement

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a bachelor's degree in journalism and media studies. He's especially interested in a Hollywood career, but has found it hard to land a job there. These folks went into debt to the tune of nearly 4x the average american pre-tax income, for a theater degree. No, the lenders shouldn't have let them do that... but come on.

Journalism and media studies is actually not a theater degree, its a non-theater degree (in a different, low-paying field); its a worse choice than a theater degree for someone trying to get a theater career.

Re: Our sons' student debt is delaying our retirement

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$200k for journalism and media studies was a bad investment. It's a tough message, but you have to invest in education more intelligently than 'throw money at it and hope for the best'.

The U.S. educationnal system is wrong. If you go to Canada, you will pay less than 30k$ for you entire program. It's illogical to waste 4 years if you don't have solid chances to get a job and make it profitable, maybe it is not the place to go and/or the career to follow.

Re: Our sons' student debt is delaying our retirement

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I was a writer for Wired Magazine for three years and never took a single class in journalism, and nothing beyond the required english classes in college.

I think we need to do more to help educate parents and prospective students that in most cases a college degree is next to worthless. For-profit schools like the University of Phoenix get a lot of negative press, but how about these little known colleges referenced in the story that charge nearly as much as top of the line schools? Sadly, many colleges (most?) are simply outgrowths of an overgenerous loan subsidy program run by the government.

If you want to enter a credentialed field, be it education, medicine, or law—by all means get a degree.

Likewise, if you're going into a highly technical field, it's a wise investment to study intensively.

Most psych/business majors would be better served working their way up through the ranks.

In 90% of creative fields you're much better off just "doing it." I got my job at Wired by writing on my blog and getting the attention of the editor-in-chief. If you want to be a filmmaker, make films—same with music, art, etc. I essentially got paid for my "graduate school" in writing.

This is easier said than done when most entry level gigs require a college degree, but you can still get an affordable degree at most state universities. Also, we should be talking more at the political level about vocational education and non-degree training programs to prepare people for the workforce.

Re: Our sons' student debt is delaying our retirement

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$200k for journalism and media studies was a bad investment. It's a tough message, but you have to invest in education more intelligently than 'throw money at it and hope for the best'.

The U.S. educationnal system is wrong. If you go to Canada, you will pay less than 30k$ for you entire program. It's illogical to waste 4 years if you don't have solid chances to get a job and make it profitable, maybe it is not the place to go and/or the career to follow.

Getting a journalism degree in Canada doesn't somehow make it more viable. We don't need more journalists, plain and simple. Nobody should be paying money to become journalists.

Re: Our sons' student debt is delaying our retirement

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For that amount of money, the parents could have purchased a cheap condo for each of their children, and have the children rent it out as a source of income that would be more stable than a knowledge economy job attainable with their children's interests. Or the child could live in the condo. At this point, a condo is actually more useful than most degrees.
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