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At Theranos, Many Strategies and Snags

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Re: At Theranos, Many Strategies and Snags

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The key questions that needs to be addressed, is how homogenous or heterogenous are blood markers at the level they want to measure at? The machines may be reporting results accurately, but a pin-prick-sized droplet may simply not be a large enough sample size for the tests they want to run.

>prick-sized droplet may simply not be a large enough sample size for the tests they want to run

This was always the main criticism of Theranos. Finger-stick blood tests have never been considered reliable for clinical diagnostic tests because you don't get enough blood and the blood you do get can be contaminated.

Re: At Theranos, Many Strategies and Snags

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> In April 2014, she got a long email from another employee. The employee alleged that Theranos had cherry-picked data when comparing Edison machines to traditional lab machines to make the Edison look more accurate, according to a copy of the email. > For one test, the device’s accuracy rate increased sharply after some information was deleted and manipulated, the employee wrote. Edison machines also allegedly faile…

Glassdoor actually removed a few of the more scathing negative reviews about working there. I think Theranos advertised on Glassdoor so they removed some of the even worse reviews... there used to be some even more negative ones.

Re: At Theranos, Many Strategies and Snags

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The key questions that needs to be addressed, is how homogenous or heterogenous are blood markers at the level they want to measure at? The machines may be reporting results accurately, but a pin-prick-sized droplet may simply not be a large enough sample size for the tests they want to run.

>prick-sized droplet may simply not be a large enough sample size for the tests they want to run This was always the main criticism of Theranos. Finger-stick blood tests have never been considered reliable for clinical diagnostic tests because you don't get enough blood and the blood you do get can be contaminated.

How does the blood become contaminated?

Re: At Theranos, Many Strategies and Snags

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I'm honestly getting kind of annoyed with seeing stuff about Theranos, since everyone writing about them is beating about the bush, and only ends up describing how Theranos communicates with a startling lack of earnestness. Example from the video, paraphrased: Mod: "What prick tests are you able to do, using no commercially available lab equipment?" Holmes: "[lots of waffling] We're currently only doing the Herpes te…

A media interview is not a police room interrogation, nor a courtroom cross-examination. The interviewer (most probably) realises the question has not been properly answered but understands that they have to keep the interview moving. Also, if they go in too hard, it can have a backfiring effect of causing the audience to start sympathising with the person being interviewed (even though that person is clearly wafflin…

Yeah, i understand that interviewing follows specific rules, since it's a realtime setting. However, what i failed to make clear in my original post: The mentioned exchange is not addressed seriously in the article either.

Re: At Theranos, Many Strategies and Snags

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Many in SV find it hard to grapple with traditional startups not penetrating health care to a greater degree; in Rise of the Robots (one of the Financial Times and The Economist books of the year) it's lamented for an entire chapter.

Traditionally the level of fundamental research and development displayed by Theranos - in areas of health or national defence - are done for years behind closed doors and then slowly rolled out to the public to mitigate any questioning of the underlying tech since the standards are understandably higher (i.e - it has to work from the start). This stands in contrast to the "move fast, break things" attitude pervasive in start-up culture.

I don't think there's anything necessarily fraudulent about Theranos, from what I've read, which seems to be the not-so-subtle undercurrent in much of the commentary. Rather they flipped the model startups should use in health, which is establish a business model that works and then work on preparatory tech in the background until it's ready to be rolled out. This seems to be largely what Theranos has done, but not what it's purposely chosen to articulate to the public and investors as it surely would have garnered less attention/funding. At this point Theranos seems to be playing the waiting game; waiting for their technology to reach a point where they can make a more transparent case for their business model and change the narrative once they've reached a point that's more aligned with the aspirations that have been articulated by Holmes for the past decade.

Once again, Peter Thiel's approach with Palantir looks to be extremely well executed and one that perhaps Theranos should have emulated.

Re: At Theranos, Many Strategies and Snags

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> In April 2014, she got a long email from another employee. The employee alleged that Theranos had cherry-picked data when comparing Edison machines to traditional lab machines to make the Edison look more accurate, according to a copy of the email. > For one test, the device’s accuracy rate increased sharply after some information was deleted and manipulated, the employee wrote. Edison machines also allegedly faile…

Glassdoor actually removed a few of the more scathing negative reviews about working there. I think Theranos advertised on Glassdoor so they removed some of the even worse reviews... there used to be some even more negative ones.

i wonder if we can find them? or an archive of them?

Re: At Theranos, Many Strategies and Snags

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>prick-sized droplet may simply not be a large enough sample size for the tests they want to run This was always the main criticism of Theranos. Finger-stick blood tests have never been considered reliable for clinical diagnostic tests because you don't get enough blood and the blood you do get can be contaminated.

How does the blood become contaminated?

Stuff on your fingertips.

Re: At Theranos, Many Strategies and Snags

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>prick-sized droplet may simply not be a large enough sample size for the tests they want to run This was always the main criticism of Theranos. Finger-stick blood tests have never been considered reliable for clinical diagnostic tests because you don't get enough blood and the blood you do get can be contaminated.

How does the blood become contaminated?

For one thing, it's almost impossible to get your skin perfectly clean. Any test that uses a single drop of blood will be very sensitive to even the slightest amount of soil or contamination on the fingertip where the drop is extracted.

Re: At Theranos, Many Strategies and Snags

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> In April 2014, she got a long email from another employee. The employee alleged that Theranos had cherry-picked data when comparing Edison machines to traditional lab machines to make the Edison look more accurate, according to a copy of the email. > For one test, the device’s accuracy rate increased sharply after some information was deleted and manipulated, the employee wrote. Edison machines also allegedly faile…

Glassdoor actually removed a few of the more scathing negative reviews about working there. I think Theranos advertised on Glassdoor so they removed some of the even worse reviews... there used to be some even more negative ones.

So I was on Glassdoor just yesterday and saw a little note "Your trust is our top concern, so companies can't alter or remove reviews."

Is that just a flat out lie?

Re: At Theranos, Many Strategies and Snags

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post #15

Many in SV find it hard to grapple with traditional startups not penetrating health care to a greater degree; in Rise of the Robots (one of the Financial Times and The Economist books of the year) it's lamented for an entire chapter. Traditionally the level of fundamental research and development displayed by Theranos - in areas of health or national defence - are done for years behind closed doors and then slowly ro…

Thing is, the approach your describing is fundamental dishonest... Leading investors to believe that you have technology that will be ready in 2011 when in reality you expect it to be ready in 2016 is not flipping a start up business model... It's just lying to get investor money
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