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Big Oil Companies Should Adopt a Self-Liquidation Strategy

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Re: Big Oil Companies Should Adopt a Self-Liquidation Strategy

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I don't know anything about oil, but it seems unrealistic to claim to be able to predict markets. Liquidating all your reserves at current price is unlikely to be seen as a wise move. (And wouldn't selling more oil than the US uses annually impact prices somehow?)

If you magically had knowledge of the range of prices over 10+ years you could do all sorts of money making things.

Edit: Looked into this a bit. Futures on oil 2 years out are already over $50. So "the market" is far less certain then the author. I'd also imagine quite a bit of damage to oil producers if the price stays low. After they shut down, why wouldn't the price rise?

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There is a potential flaw I spot in this piece. The author likens the self-liquidation strategy to what the big tobacco companies did. The problem I see with this is that tobacco is a luxury item. For many, oil is an every day necessity.

This leads into the liquidation issue. If companies such as BP were to liquidate, what would happen? The author mentions that non-oil countries should focus on providing resources and knowledge on oil extraction, but would that be enough to prevent price gouging? If there are no competitors selling oil, I could see the prices skyrocketing once the competition has liquidated all of their reserves. Would our knowledge, tools and "know how" be enough to prevent a monopoly on oil? Our only fallback would be to charge more on the services the author suggested we offer instead of oil.

Re: Big Oil Companies Should Adopt a Self-Liquidation Strategy

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post #4

There is a potential flaw I spot in this piece. The author likens the self-liquidation strategy to what the big tobacco companies did. The problem I see with this is that tobacco is a luxury item. For many, oil is an every day necessity. This leads into the liquidation issue. If companies such as BP were to liquidate, what would happen? The author mentions that non-oil countries should focus on providing resources an…

I think the issue that this and a few other comments have is that by "self-liquidation strategy" the author doesn't literally mean sell every company asset as quickly as possible. It means recognize that the market for petroleum is going to decline and mostly go away before the OPEC states have all depleted their reserves. Therefore, BP et al should not invest in finding more reserves, and instead just focus on extracting all the money they can from what they have.

Note I'm not taking a stance on whether or not the author is right, but I think that if he is, there are enough players to prevent price gouging, and if anything we'd see prices fall due to no one wanting to be left with stranded assets.

Re: Big Oil Companies Should Adopt a Self-Liquidation Strategy

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The author should have done some basic fact checking.

From the article:

> "more sophisticated than nineteenth-century “nodding donkeys.”"

That type of fields are getting rare. EOR [1] techniques are being applied everywhere. Although, AFAIK, some countries, such as Venezuela are somewhat backwards in their application of EOR. They wanted to nationalize oil fields and not invest in them, and look what happened.

> new technologies such as hydraulic fracturing (“fracking”)

Fracking [2] is now 40 years old "new" technology. The only reason it became popular in last 10 years was high oil prices.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enhanced_oil_recovery

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraulic_fracturing

Re: Big Oil Companies Should Adopt a Self-Liquidation Strategy

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Question for those who might know: Is analysis that the oil price depression will result in a significant economic recession just FUD, or is it grounded in truth?

Even granting the questionable base assumption that the sector fully implodes: Cheap(er) energy across all industries versus one industry segment collapsing is a win for the industrialists.

Re: Big Oil Companies Should Adopt a Self-Liquidation Strategy

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Question for those who might know: Is analysis that the oil price depression will result in a significant economic recession just FUD, or is it grounded in truth?

With proper monetary policy, there is no reason to expect it would cause a recession in America. The reason people in the business press are concerned about it is because deflation is associated with recessions. But usually recessions are caused by demand-driven deflation (people demanding less goods, which leads to the prices of goods decreasing), while this is a supply-side deflation (suppliers providing more goods, which leads to prices decreasing). As you can imagine, when people demand less, fewer goods are created, which is a recession, but if people are given more for the same price, MORE goods are created, which is not a recession.

Scenarios where a fall in the price of oil triggers a recession are possible. For example, with bad monetary policy from the Fed you can always get a recession if they do the wrong thing, and drastic changes in oil prices could make that more likely by leading us into a more volatile environment, where past trends could be broken. More likely is that it could lead to deflation in the Eurozone, and since the European Central Bank isn't very good at monetary policy, it could lead to a further Eurozone recession because of sticky wages. If that recession were bad enough it could cause failure of the economies of one or more European countries and trigger global recession.

It's also possible that one or more oil-exporting nations could default on their sovereign debt (Russia, Venezuela), which could cause a panic-driven global recession.

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