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How Jack Dorsey Runs Both Twitter, Square

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Re: How Jack Dorsey Runs Both Twitter, Square

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Post by gaoshan »

melling wrote: post #3
n0us wrote: post #2

I think his status as a single child-free person goes understated in this article. It takes a special kind of husband/wife to be okay with someone who works this hard and not having to juggle a home life frees up his schedule to a huge degree. I can imagine working hard 18hr days while still in my 30s, but I cannot imagine doing that while maintaining a marriage and taking care of a kid or two. The guy is a billionai…

Plenty of executives work long hours. In fact I imagine most do. I can't find it, but I remember reading where Scott McNealy talked about his dad working long hours as an executive at GM. Elon Musk has 5 kids, as another example.

I think it very much depends on how much interaction as a father you want to have with your kids.

If you want to be cooking some nice meals for them, coaching sports, attending events, assisting with homework, tucking into bed, dealing with illness, prepping for holidays, having fun together, taking vacations, etc. then you have to devote a substantial amount of time. I suspect that most of these busy CEO dads don't spend all that much time doing these things.

You only have so much time in the day and available time that corresponds to the time the child is available and active is in very short supply.

Re: How Jack Dorsey Runs Both Twitter, Square

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Post by frutiger »

danpalmer wrote: post #7
kevindeasis wrote: post #4

Would you guys agree that Jack Dorsey is a good CEO? And one of his roles as a CEO is to be able to motivate the employees towards the mission and vision of the company? And one would also be able to delegate tasks accordingly? Also, would you guys agree that working hard for more than 16 hours a day for an extended period of time (months) is not really productive? Even more, I'd even say unhealthy and almost unreali…

> Would you guys agree that Jack Dorsey is a good CEO? No, from what I've heard, Square isn't a particularly nice place to work - with very poor work-life balances throughout the company, and Dorsey micro-manages every little detail of design and product. Twitter, on the other hand doesn't appear to be doing particularly well, as evidenced by the current share price, and the large amount of criticism from the tech co…

Not that I have an opinion on Twitter, but

> and the large amount of criticism from the tech community

has never been a particularly good oracle (Apple and Microsoft are two prominent examples).

Re: How Jack Dorsey Runs Both Twitter, Square

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Post by HiLo »

n0us wrote: post #2

I think his status as a single child-free person goes understated in this article. It takes a special kind of husband/wife to be okay with someone who works this hard and not having to juggle a home life frees up his schedule to a huge degree. I can imagine working hard 18hr days while still in my 30s, but I cannot imagine doing that while maintaining a marriage and taking care of a kid or two. The guy is a billionai…

I hear you, I really do, but plenty of guys in finance and trading work these hours and are expected to maintain regular families.

Re: How Jack Dorsey Runs Both Twitter, Square

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Post by onesixtythree »

I wonder what he has on his investors to be allowed to do this two-top-job thing. There has to be something big.

It's shocking that this would be allowed otherwise, not because it can't be done, but because it draws attention to how little these tech-celebrity CEOs actually do, and because it'd be pretty much impossible for the proles to pull off this diversification without getting axed. My last company fired people for freelancing and called it "for performance". And yet Jack Dorsey gets to play CEO in two companies.

Re: How Jack Dorsey Runs Both Twitter, Square

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Post by n3on_net »

kevindeasis wrote: post #4

Would you guys agree that Jack Dorsey is a good CEO? And one of his roles as a CEO is to be able to motivate the employees towards the mission and vision of the company? And one would also be able to delegate tasks accordingly? Also, would you guys agree that working hard for more than 16 hours a day for an extended period of time (months) is not really productive? Even more, I'd even say unhealthy and almost unreali…

"Now, why is it that some writers like to make CEOs look like gods? I wish there was a platform where you can rate writers based on their work. I'm pretty sure making them look like gods is very unhealthy for the community. Like doesn't these kind of articles piss you off?"

Why is this a bad thing? Becoming one like Dorsey or a CEO of huge company or simply a successful founder requires a certain mindset. A "growth" mindset at least, where you want to spend more hours for your passion (in this case business) than watching netfix. I think this mindset is pretty good. Working 18 hours a day doing your passion (And this is passion and not "work" for Dorsey or Musk) is much better than wasting your time away.

So there is nothing wrong with articles like this, showing only a normal day of people who like doing what they do.

Re: How Jack Dorsey Runs Both Twitter, Square

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Post by HiLo »

gaoshan wrote: post #11
melling wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Plenty of executives work long hours. In fact I imagine most do. I can't find it, but I remember reading where Scott McNealy talked about his dad working long hours as an executive at GM. Elon Musk has 5 kids, as another example.

I think it very much depends on how much interaction as a father you want to have with your kids. If you want to be cooking some nice meals for them, coaching sports, attending events, assisting with homework, tucking into bed, dealing with illness, prepping for holidays, having fun together, taking vacations, etc. then you have to devote a substantial amount of time. I suspect that most of these busy CEO dads don't…

Ah, you hit it on the head. My neighborhood is full of these types, and that's the catch - you can keep your family together, but, just like happened to me standing at the ATM yesterday, the kids ride by on their hoverboards and you hear one of them telling the other how their dad had to go in to work (again) today - just like he always has to on Christmas.

Re: How Jack Dorsey Runs Both Twitter, Square

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Post by blackguardx »

tacos wrote: post #16

Jack Dorsey cut a deal with Starbucks that's lost $100k every day for three years -- and gave up equity and a board seat for the privilege.

Yeah, but it came with a bunch of free advertising at the time. Square also thought Starbucks would help Square launch new customer-facing products because of Howard Schultz's board seat, but that never materialized.

I think it was a good deal at first, but definitely wasn't worth it over the long haul. Square was betting that Starbucks would help them in exchange for subsidizing their payment processing, but Starbucks pretty much just stuck to the contract they signed.

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