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Open Letter to Mozilla: Bring Back Persona

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Re: Open Letter to Mozilla: Bring Back Persona

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Side note: usernames should just be emails these days, they're unique and save all the effort of needing another made up name.

Services that don't require email for functionality shouldn't require email addresses at all. An excellent example of this is reddit.

Functionality such as "forgot password"?

Re: Open Letter to Mozilla: Bring Back Persona

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Services that don't require email for functionality shouldn't require email addresses at all. An excellent example of this is reddit.

Functionality such as "forgot password"?

Completely optional. Like HN for example.

Re: Open Letter to Mozilla: Bring Back Persona

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post #17

> Anyone with access to your email account can simply reset any password on any site. The right solution is to make your email account very, very secure. No, the right solution is to stop using email as sole identification for password resets. Yes, there are other solutions you can implement right now without waiting for some big company to save you. The most obvious one it to create a second factor of authentication…

You can use a dedicated e-mail address for accounts.

Re: Open Letter to Mozilla: Bring Back Persona

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Side note: usernames should just be emails these days, they're unique and save all the effort of needing another made up name.

Theoretically yes, but it's not as simple as that. Every identity can have more than one email associated with it, and emails can change over time. So "username == email" is fine as long as the concept of a username mutating is fine.

Wouldn't a new email be as unique as the old one? I mean mutating is only a problem if usernames collide.

Re: Open Letter to Mozilla: Bring Back Persona

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post #7

I find Keepass and/or Lastpass are better solutions - you can have different logins for different sites, generate truly strong random passwords and login with two clicks in any modern browser. I don't want Google (or God forbid, Facebook) knowing what sites I login to and part of my credentials, and I don't want websites to know my email address. I know you say they don't have this information, but it's not hard to g…

> Google Web History already creeps me out :-)

You know that you can turn off most of their tracking by doing a privacy checkup? I can't guarantee that they don't know a lot about me and that they're still not tracking me, but I can guarantee you that my Google history is completely blank.

Re: Open Letter to Mozilla: Bring Back Persona

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post #5

I hate that the best user experience for logins is "Login with facebook" or "Login with Google". I don't want to impose that privacy failure on my users, but I also don't want to impose the annoyance that is "Sign up with a username, email address, and password". Offering all of the options is also a compromise that complicates the user experience. Now, here's the sad thing, for me: I didn't even know Persona existed…

Side note: usernames should just be emails these days, they're unique and save all the effort of needing another made up name.

That depends on context, of course. As an obvious example, if you're actually selling something, you very much do need to know the real name and possibly real address of the person you are contracting with.

Re: Open Letter to Mozilla: Bring Back Persona

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> I don’t know if something like a Kickstarter campaign to raise some money to pay for engineer time would help sway Mozilla at all, but I’m perfectly happy pledging a few hundred dollars and running the campaign, if necessary. I just really want to see Persona succeed. I mentioned this by email, but I'll repeat it here: I believe in the design behind Persona. I believe a well structured, free authentication provider…

I very much agree. A while ago I spent some time making an extension for MediaWiki for Persona, in hopes of maybe bringing Persona to Wikipedia at some point, but after Mozilla abandoned it we sort of lost hope on that front.

Re: Open Letter to Mozilla: Bring Back Persona

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This might be a silly question, but why do we need Mozilla to build this system? Is it a matter of trust in Mozilla and a greater likelihood of adoption if Mozilla is the organization providing this service?

I'd definitely say that the trustworthiness is the reason since a large chunk of Internet is not really satisfied with the way Mozilla adopts things.

Re: Open Letter to Mozilla: Bring Back Persona

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post #5

I hate that the best user experience for logins is "Login with facebook" or "Login with Google". I don't want to impose that privacy failure on my users, but I also don't want to impose the annoyance that is "Sign up with a username, email address, and password". Offering all of the options is also a compromise that complicates the user experience. Now, here's the sad thing, for me: I didn't even know Persona existed…

Side note: usernames should just be emails these days, they're unique and save all the effort of needing another made up name.

So what happens when I want to change my email? I lose all my accounts?
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