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When a Unicorn Startup Stumbles, Its Employees Get Hurt

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> To pay those taxes, some employees emptied savings accounts and borrowed money. Investing your life savings and/or loaned money into a single stock is always a huge warning sign that you're being foolish.

I would say it is much worse when that stock is your employer's. Yet, people still gladly take their employers stock (or options) as compensation (whether straight up comp or in a retirement plan.)

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> Even worse, they had paid taxes on the stock based on the higher value. That's the most annoying part of the entire article, and why I ask for salary rather than equity. Keep your stock, I'd rather pay my bills.

There are several options one must weigh when they are deciding on job offers.

Where you work is so important and yet so many people seem to put such little effort into negotiation, risk assessment, runway, overall comp, etc. etc.

If you're taking equity in place of a market rate salary you better to be absolutely 100% sure you know you're taking a massive risk and forfeiting real dollars for hypothetical dollars that 9.999/10 will never exist.

Note: A great read about equity http://blog.alexmaccaw.com/an-engineers-guide-to-stock-optio...

Re: When a Unicorn Startup Stumbles, Its Employees Get Hurt

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Very glad the NYTimes ran this piece. The only part they underplayed is they made it sound like the startup "stumbled." No, it sounds like it went exactly as planned. Blackberry got the acquisitions, investors got their money, execs got their bonuses, and the rank-and-file got nothing. That isn't stumbling, that's the playbook. Tech employees need to wake up about common vs preferred shares, and that the former are w…

> Tech employees need to wake up about common vs preferred shares, and that the former are worthless. > ... > They are worthless because they are designed, as a financial instrument, to be fake equity with no real protection from dilution and liquidation preference. You've muddled orthogonal concepts together here. 1. Common shares are not worthless. In general, just ask any founder who's had a successful exit. Found…

Thank you for the informative response.

1) Ok, Google/FB common shares were worth something. Those are extreme outliers in exits, and had ethical founders. But founders have another option if they drive the common share value to nothing - retention bonuses. They can say, ok we will make all the common shares worthless, but you can just give me a huge package as part of the aquisition. So employees can't rely on founders looking after common shares out of self-interest. If you read the article, it looks like that's extremely similar to what happened in this case.

2) All these financial experts can figure out a way to protect their necks without leaving the employees necks under the axe.

3) Real protection would also be voting rights, which generally preferred shares get a lot more of, and then less tangible things like invitation to board meetings, something mere employees accept is absurd to expect. As long as employees agree to sacrifice compensation while being told they're not investors and don't deserve to be treated like one, they're getting hoodwinked.

Re: When a Unicorn Startup Stumbles, Its Employees Get Hurt

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Is there some other industry where, when a company stumbles, its employees don't get hurt? I live in Michigan, and when the car industry "stumbled" everyone I locally know at least knew someone who got hit, at the very very least with long-term stagnant wages even as their responsibilities amped up to cover the missing people, and they were the ones who came out relatively unscathed. I mean, the details of the articl…

At least with the auto industry, the unions were able to offer some protections for the worker. How many programmers belong to a union?

Unions can't do anything about the company you're working for running out of resources. That's not what they are for.

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Very glad the NYTimes ran this piece. The only part they underplayed is they made it sound like the startup "stumbled." No, it sounds like it went exactly as planned. Blackberry got the acquisitions, investors got their money, execs got their bonuses, and the rank-and-file got nothing. That isn't stumbling, that's the playbook. Tech employees need to wake up about common vs preferred shares, and that the former are w…

I agree 100% with this. Employees should be suspicious that they have access to an investment nobody else does - invest now! I've seen countless friends get burned in various ways believing they would be getting rich soon from their options and then fizzle. Either through the company just never having a liquidity event or being sold for less than previous valuation rounds. The worst is I've seen people reject job off…

Employees do have access to an investment to an investment nobody else does. It's just that they need to do due diligence on par with or better than an investor to avoid getting taken advantage of.

I've turned down more startup jobs than I can count. When I interview at a startup, I thoroughly research their market, their competitors, their product, and their business model. I ask questions about how they came up with the idea, and how they know other people want it, and what questions they asked when they did their market research, and how the idea has evolved in response to new information. How did the team meet? What's the company culture like, and what do they value? I ask about financials - are they profitable? What's their runway? What's their revenue and revenue growth rate? Is it recurring revenue or revenue for one-off contracts? What's their churn rate? I ask about funding - who is their VC? How many rounds have they taken, what's the preference overhang, how many more do they anticipate taking? (And then in my head, I'm running over the financials to see if this squares with their growth & revenue plans.)

If they're cagey about this, I walk. Some companies are, and that's their right, and I'm not going to work for them. Others are very impressed that I'm doing this level of due diligence, because it shows that I view my time there as an investment, and will invest the same level of diligence and effort into the job itself.

Equity compensation itself is not the problem. Equity itself is great for employees - they have an information advantage over every other shareholder of the company (including the VCs), and if they're an early hire, they can have a meaningful effect on the value of that equity. But to take advantage of this, they need to do due diligence as if they were an investor - they are, after all, they're investing their time, which is far more valuable than a VC's money. Equity is much more highly levered than salary - its value depends on how events play out, not just on what you've agreed beforehand - and so you should make sure you have enough information to make a reasonable guess at its value before accepting it.

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Can anyone provide any info on what actually happened here? The article says that the preferred was "worth" more, which is a pretty vague statement. I interpret this as meaning that they didn't convert because their liquidation preferences guaranteed a higher payout. What seems relevant to me, and anyone else who works at a pre-IPO startup, is what were the things to look for ahead of time. According to Crunchbase, G…

What most likely happened was that investors together owned closer to 80% of the business and possibly had liquidation overhangs and some sort of anti-dilution that ended up in a similar situation.

That's what liquidation preferences and overhangs do for companies that raise 100m+, they eat in the common.

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Very glad the NYTimes ran this piece. The only part they underplayed is they made it sound like the startup "stumbled." No, it sounds like it went exactly as planned. Blackberry got the acquisitions, investors got their money, execs got their bonuses, and the rank-and-file got nothing. That isn't stumbling, that's the playbook. Tech employees need to wake up about common vs preferred shares, and that the former are w…

> Tech employees need to wake up about common vs preferred shares, and that the former are worthless. > ... > They are worthless because they are designed, as a financial instrument, to be fake equity with no real protection from dilution and liquidation preference. You've muddled orthogonal concepts together here. 1. Common shares are not worthless. In general, just ask any founder who's had a successful exit. Found…

I'm not well-versed enough in investment to reply to your comment on purely financial grounds, but I still see a problem -- how often are those steps actually taken in practice? How would it even be possible for an employee to know that the founders have taken (and will continue to take) responsible steps with their funding rounds?

Part of the issue at question is whether it's worth it for employees to bet on founders having done (and continuing to do) the right things with regards to investment. So when assessing the risk/reward of equity over cash, an employee now has to not only examine the marketability of a company's product and sales, but also whether they can trust the founders, board, or whoever to be responsible with equity dilution and valuations.

Given the huge variety of unknowns (and very high risk of dilution or lack of a liquidity event), as a non-startup-employed observer I have to say I'm very confused as to why startup employees take effective pay cuts for stocks.

Re: When a Unicorn Startup Stumbles, Its Employees Get Hurt

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Very glad the NYTimes ran this piece. The only part they underplayed is they made it sound like the startup "stumbled." No, it sounds like it went exactly as planned. Blackberry got the acquisitions, investors got their money, execs got their bonuses, and the rank-and-file got nothing. That isn't stumbling, that's the playbook. Tech employees need to wake up about common vs preferred shares, and that the former are w…

I see basically two kinds of equity compensation.

The first is "what the founders have, but less of it." It's very difficult for the founders to make a boatload of money off the company without also compensating you. These have some sort of value - if the founders want to make $10MM off it, you're getting something like $100K.

The second is everything else. There's an obvious incentive to screw over the "founders don't have this" class of equity, so I value these at zero. This includes the vast majority of stock options.

Re: When a Unicorn Startup Stumbles, Its Employees Get Hurt

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This topic has been in conversation a lot recently. Yet I feel we only have anecdotal data. I was wondering if we can get some real numbers on employee outcomes. I created a spreadsheet that aims to capture this and hopefully, we can get some real insights and conclusive data.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bIYwuz3bhRWPYazVamMD...

All data is anonymous. You don't even need to be logged in to edit.

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