This is the end of the dotcom era.
New Zealand court rules Kim Dotcom can be extradited to US
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Re: New Zealand court rules Kim Dotcom can be extradited to US
#22This probably goes against popular HN opinion, but good. I'm glad. He's a scumbag who profited TWO HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS off content that he knew to be copyright infringing. He deserves prison time.
I must admit I'm surprised at this verdict. I agree he probably has broken US copyright law, but the crown also broke several laws while conducting the case - data from his servers was sent to the US without legal authorisation, for instance. From a non-legal perspective, many Kiwis are uneasy at the level of force that the police used in the raid, and also at just how far NZ police bent over backwards at the behest…
Yeah, that is the thing, as a Kiwi, I'm very uneasy about the influence of US law in NZ.
I've got no problem with dot com going to Jail, but under the laws of the countries he does business in. They are stretching the extradition treaty pretty far on this one.
No one is saying Kim is a saint, but I'd like to think as a New Zeland citizen my country would not give me up the US for breaking US laws, while on NZ soil.
Re: New Zealand court rules Kim Dotcom can be extradited to US
#23I've got to say that this looks like it was fixed to me. The judgement was predetermined at the behest of the US government and the MPAA, a commercial entity. I confess that I'm not well traveled, and that I've never been to the Southern Hemisphere, but how independent is the NZ judiciary?
We are completely independent. But that doesn't stop our political leaders from bending over to make a good impression with the United States. I wouldn't be surprised if the United States threatened trade agreements to have things bent in its favour.
Re: New Zealand court rules Kim Dotcom can be extradited to US
#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
Don't conflate lawful/unlawful with right/wrong -- it always leads to incoherent positions.
I've not.
- I'm glad. He's a scumbag who profited TWO HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS off content that he knew to be copyright infringing. He deserves prison time.
Riiiiight.... Not conflating at all....
Re: New Zealand court rules Kim Dotcom can be extradited to US
#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
New Zealand is a sovereign nation. One that has laws which established residency for Kim Dotcom. And one that has signed international treaties with other sovereign nations. New Zealand has used their own judicial system to reach this decision. They are behaving in accordance to their own laws and agreements they were willing participants to. In short, there's nothing wrong here. Not in the slightest.
As a kiwi. This entire case makes me sick. This should have been thrown out of court a long time ago. This is a political move and nothing else. It's NZ on its knees sucking off the United States. From day 1 it's been illegal. Hidden process, and laws changed to make the process more legal. I hate my country now.
This is exactly how I feel about it.
It's not just this case obviously. I used to be proud to be a New Zealander, but the last 5-10 years have made it dreadfully obvious we're actually being operated by foreign and commercial interests, and local/national leaders have no interest in changing that.
Sure, it's probably not as bad as certain other places, but it no longer fills me with pride. I'm tired of this country :(
Re: New Zealand court rules Kim Dotcom can be extradited to US
#26Extradited for copyright infringement. Brilliant. This is what we've come to.
Re: New Zealand court rules Kim Dotcom can be extradited to US
#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
New Zealand is a sovereign nation. One that has laws which established residency for Kim Dotcom. And one that has signed international treaties with other sovereign nations. New Zealand has used their own judicial system to reach this decision. They are behaving in accordance to their own laws and agreements they were willing participants to. In short, there's nothing wrong here. Not in the slightest.
As a kiwi. This entire case makes me sick. This should have been thrown out of court a long time ago. This is a political move and nothing else. It's NZ on its knees sucking off the United States. From day 1 it's been illegal. Hidden process, and laws changed to make the process more legal. I hate my country now.
As another kiwi I couldn't agree more. It has been sickening to watch NZ bend over backwards to serve the USA. This has nothing to do with copyright infringement, and everything to do with bending over for the USA to maintain its benefits.
Re: New Zealand court rules Kim Dotcom can be extradited to US
#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
New Zealand is a sovereign nation. One that has laws which established residency for Kim Dotcom. And one that has signed international treaties with other sovereign nations. New Zealand has used their own judicial system to reach this decision. They are behaving in accordance to their own laws and agreements they were willing participants to. In short, there's nothing wrong here. Not in the slightest.
As a kiwi. This entire case makes me sick. This should have been thrown out of court a long time ago. This is a political move and nothing else. It's NZ on its knees sucking off the United States. From day 1 it's been illegal. Hidden process, and laws changed to make the process more legal. I hate my country now.
Would you rather your country act as a safe haven to criminals in exchange for money?
Re: New Zealand court rules Kim Dotcom can be extradited to US
#29I've got to say that this looks like it was fixed to me. The judgement was predetermined at the behest of the US government and the MPAA, a commercial entity. I confess that I'm not well traveled, and that I've never been to the Southern Hemisphere, but how independent is the NZ judiciary?
Normally they are pretty good here, but there have been a growing number of law changes that seem to favour the MPAA. It seems like there are a few strings being pulled.
Re: New Zealand court rules Kim Dotcom can be extradited to US
#30Shady guy, shady service, shady investigation, shady trial, shady judgement, shady result. Did I miss anything?