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Oil price: Brent crude hits 11-year low

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Re: Oil price: Brent crude hits 11-year low

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Where are the peak oil prophets?

Seems like OPEC's current strategy is to dump oil onto the market for a low price.

This both makes it unsustainable for the competition to drill for oil, and creates a higher demand.

Once many of the competing (e.g. Western) oil companies goes bankrupt, OPEC can increase the prices and enjoy both higher demand and increased profit. At that point, it will take a long time before investors feel comfortable investing in oil again in fear of an identical situation. They also push renewables into a similar spot.

I was looking for a reference that shows debt vs. market cap of US oil companies, but cannot find it. It didn't look promising for the US oil companies.

Anyway, this doesn't have anything to do with peak oil, which we are likely passing these years (for conventional oil). Except we'll likely crash sooner if we increase demand.

Re: Oil price: Brent crude hits 11-year low

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Don't get used to it. The low oil prices are a result of the Saudis not reducing production and continuing full steam ahead regardless of profitability in order to drive other producers and sources such as North American fracking out of business.

Most mom and pop oil companies have already been bought or have gone bankrupt as they were not profitable under $50/barrel. Supermajors will begin to go bankrupt and survival mode at $20-25/barrel. As soon as we see supermajors going under the Saudis will roll back their production in order skyrocket prices. It takes AT LEAST 18-24 months to get new wells and unconventional sites online and that's if the entire ecosystem is operational.

Re: Oil price: Brent crude hits 11-year low

#16

Where are the peak oil prophets?

Seems like OPEC's current strategy is to dump oil onto the market for a low price. This both makes it unsustainable for the competition to drill for oil, and creates a higher demand. Once many of the competing (e.g. Western) oil companies goes bankrupt, OPEC can increase the prices and enjoy both higher demand and increased profit. At that point, it will take a long time before investors feel comfortable investing in…

This is just a buying opportunity for the big boys like Exxon. They'll snatch up the companies that fail and bide their time.

It's not a new strategy—the well-capitalized oil companies do this every time the industry stalls. They call it "prospecting for oil on the floor of the stock exchange."

Many shale producers will go bust but others have tightened their belt and become more efficient. The technology itself has also gotten cheaper, allowing those wells to be profitable even at depressed energy prices. More will likely fail but the shakeout will leave the remaining shale producers in a very strong place.

The idea that "OPEC can increase the prices" is farcical at this point. OPEC has been in open revolt for a long time and can no longer function as a unified front against the Western consuming countries. Smaller OPEC producers have long ignored the quotas, battling for marketshare while comfortable in the knowledge that Saudi Arabia would lower their production to maintain price targets. The Saudis have grown tired of that role—this current salvo is as much a move against their fellow OPEC members as it is new Western production.

This current situation is the Saudi's public recognition that OPEC has failed, the final culmination of a decline that began decades ago.

Saudi Arabia is facing the prospect of increased production on several fronts for both geopolitical reasons (Iran) and technological (America, deep sea, Canadian oil sands, etc). When the US tears down export barriers, their situation will become that much more dire as American shale producers will find entire new markets for their oil. Finding markets has long been as significant a task for the industry as finding oil itself.

Other investors are certainly fearful of investing in oil but I've been moving more and more of my personal portfolio into energy over the last few months. Given time, energy will rebound.

Re: Oil price: Brent crude hits 11-year low

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Where are the peak oil prophets?

Conventional oil production peaked in 2005. That was the year ordinary oil (land and offshore) wells produced their peak quantity of crude oil and condensates.

Tar sands, deep water, synthetic fuels, coal and gas conversion, and hydraulically fractured wells have produced a few percent more lately than the plateau of total production from 2005-2011. Those methods start paying at US$70-100 a barrel. The plateau saw prices above US$100 consistently.

Demand made itself more efficient in the face of rising prices even as new expensive sources came online. Now the new sources are producing but demand has softened enough with basic efficiency measures that the new unconventional oil cannot command the high prices.

Unless things change fast, we'll see the worst of all possible effects. New oil ventures will fail and go offline. Low prices will lead to efficiency plans being cancelled. We'll have the situation of five years ago again and prices will skyrocket as demand rises and the new unconventional oil is offline.

Of course, that's exactly what OPEC and Russia are hoping for. They want new oil sources and efficiencies to go away so they can get back on the gravy train. So they're flooding the market strategically now to drive prices even lower and put new sources out of business.

Since it takes investors and technologies several years to react to changes in price, a fairly steady production could lead to accelerating resonant gyration in prices if OPEC can time it right.

It's all very exciting, but it doesn't change the reality that oil is getting harder and harder to extract. Eventually it will be too expensive to extract more.

Re: Oil price: Brent crude hits 11-year low

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"Many consumers have enjoyed the falling price of fuel in the form of lower petrol prices; several UK supermarkets have begun selling petrol at below £1 per litre - which they last did in 2009." It feels as though prices haven't fallen relatively here in Canada, at least not on the west coast. (112.9c CAD / litre in Victoria, BC)

1.00 CAD in the east, gasoline should be around 0.80 now but because of weak loonie, oil refineries being in the US and Americans driving more, thus increasing the demand for gas, prices are what they are.

Re: Oil price: Brent crude hits 11-year low

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Don't get used to it. The low oil prices are a result of the Saudis not reducing production and continuing full steam ahead regardless of profitability in order to drive other producers and sources such as North American fracking out of business. Most mom and pop oil companies have already been bought or have gone bankrupt as they were not profitable under $50/barrel. Supermajors will begin to go bankrupt and surviva…

Sounds like a bad time to invest in an energy ETF, which I've been planning to do (Vanguard VDE).

Where can you publicly determine the barrel price that the supermajors will bust at?

Re: Oil price: Brent crude hits 11-year low

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Don't get used to it. The low oil prices are a result of the Saudis not reducing production and continuing full steam ahead regardless of profitability in order to drive other producers and sources such as North American fracking out of business. Most mom and pop oil companies have already been bought or have gone bankrupt as they were not profitable under $50/barrel. Supermajors will begin to go bankrupt and surviva…

Do the Saudis have enough cash on tap to out last the big firms? I have to wonder if they're willing to play chicken for much longer.
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