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Re: Cock.li e-mail server seized by German authorities, admin announces

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Post by leppr »

fbbbbb wrote: post #25
Bud wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Point of order: gratuitous use of the word "nigger" is not a joke. Jokes are funny, or at least attempt to be funny. This doesn't qualify. This is something other than a joke.

It doesn't qualify because you said so, really? This is something else than a joke, because? Speculation and assertion is not an argument. If a statement is a joke is not defined whether someone finds it is funny or not, but by its intention. We don't all laught at the same jokes do we? In this case, we don't know the intention behind it, or at least our two comments didn't reveal it. (It is so sad to see preconditio…

"nigger" is never neutral (except when it comes from the mouth of black rappers but that is the exception to the rule).

Re: Cock.li e-mail server seized by German authorities, admin announces

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Post by Bud »

fbbbbb wrote: post #25
Bud wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Point of order: gratuitous use of the word "nigger" is not a joke. Jokes are funny, or at least attempt to be funny. This doesn't qualify. This is something other than a joke.

It doesn't qualify because you said so, really? This is something else than a joke, because? Speculation and assertion is not an argument. If a statement is a joke is not defined whether someone finds it is funny or not, but by its intention. We don't all laught at the same jokes do we? In this case, we don't know the intention behind it, or at least our two comments didn't reveal it. (It is so sad to see preconditio…

Words were not "discussed", here, in any way, let alone a supposedly "neutral perspective". Pay attention to detail. It counts.

Re: Cock.li e-mail server seized by German authorities, admin announces

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Post by mahouse »

Bud wrote: post #20
s73v3r wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody is accusing him of anything other than hosting some poor joke domains. However, his domain was the one that the emails threatening several school districts came from. And while I'm sure they don't think he's the culprit, his server would still have some evidence on it.

Point of order: gratuitous use of the word "nigger" is not a joke. Jokes are funny, or at least attempt to be funny. This doesn't qualify. This is something other than a joke.

Most people find it funny to offend people they don't like, just deal with it.

Re: Cock.li e-mail server seized by German authorities, admin announces

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Post by nickpsecurity »

detaro wrote: post #14

Interesting that they only took one of the disks. a) a more aggressive forensic approach would avoid the server to be shut down if at all possible (getting data in RAM or on encrypted partitions) and b) it is very restrained in comparison to other seizures. I'd say that if they believed he were actively complicit or would do something to hinder the investigation, they would have been more aggressive, possibly went af…

"I'd say that if they believed he were actively complicit or would do something to hinder the investigation, they would have been more aggressive, possibly went after machines in his home as well."

My thoughts exactly. His reputation of cooperation might have helped him out here. Nice of them to leave enough stuff to keep the service online. Many small-time operators hit by FBI over here aren't so lucky. They'll take down a whole colo worth of clients sometimes.

Re: Cock.li e-mail server seized by German authorities, admin announces

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Post by bendykstra »

Bud wrote: post #19
leppr wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "anonymous mail service with offensive names" could be made a standard indicator of a country's freedom of speech status. Actually, that'd be a good research project: setup and host such a service in as many countries as possible, wait as they get shutdown (+6 points)/subpoenaed (+3)/ddosed (+1) and make a map.

Not responsive or relevant to this situation, in two very important ways: first, this isn't just any email service, a threat which cost millions of dollars was made from this service. Second, and more crucially, the service was NOT shut down.

> a threat which cost millions of dollars

It was the reaction to the threat which cost millions of dollars. We should be careful to distinguish between the costs of terrorism and the costs of our reaction to it.

Re: Cock.li e-mail server seized by German authorities, admin announces

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Post by nickpsecurity »

Bud wrote: post #20
s73v3r wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody is accusing him of anything other than hosting some poor joke domains. However, his domain was the one that the emails threatening several school districts came from. And while I'm sure they don't think he's the culprit, his server would still have some evidence on it.

Point of order: gratuitous use of the word "nigger" is not a joke. Jokes are funny, or at least attempt to be funny. This doesn't qualify. This is something other than a joke.

There's a whole chunk of black comedy and hip hop that didn't get that memo. Seems to me like it's one of those things where it's funny or not depending on the audience's personal beliefs. Along with speakers skin color. Which means there's probably nothing concrete to your statement past normal biases and judgments of human groups.

Re: Cock.li e-mail server seized by German authorities, admin announces

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Post by Bud »

nickpsecurity wrote: post #38
Bud wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Point of order: gratuitous use of the word "nigger" is not a joke. Jokes are funny, or at least attempt to be funny. This doesn't qualify. This is something other than a joke.

There's a whole chunk of black comedy and hip hop that didn't get that memo. Seems to me like it's one of those things where it's funny or not depending on the audience's personal beliefs. Along with speakers skin color. Which means there's probably nothing concrete to your statement past normal biases and judgments of human groups.

Nope. Hip hop is not relevant here. You are not paying attention to the context. I actually have no problem with rappers and hip hip artists using the word in question.

I was making a statement of fact, which is valid no matter how many downvotes I get: this guy just named a domain "nigg.er". That's not a "joke". It doesn't meet any definition of what a joke is. It's using a word to be gratuitously offensive. It doesn't matter what his motivation was; it doesn't rise to the level of a joke. I'm not saying that because I find the word offensive, I'm saying it because simply naming something "nigger" is factually not a joke. I'm not sure what you call it, but I am sure that you don't call it a joke. :)

Re: Cock.li e-mail server seized by German authorities, admin announces

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Post by nickpsecurity »

Bud wrote: post #39
nickpsecurity wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a whole chunk of black comedy and hip hop that didn't get that memo. Seems to me like it's one of those things where it's funny or not depending on the audience's personal beliefs. Along with speakers skin color. Which means there's probably nothing concrete to your statement past normal biases and judgments of human groups.

Nope. Hip hop is not relevant here. You are not paying attention to the context. I actually have no problem with rappers and hip hip artists using the word in question. I was making a statement of fact, which is valid no matter how many downvotes I get: this guy just named a domain "nigg.er". That's not a "joke". It doesn't meet any definition of what a joke is. It's using a word to be gratuitously offensive. It does…

Glad you clarified your position. So, it boils down to the use of the domain in isolation. There's a type of humor that covers that depending on his intent (& only with that intent). I can't recall the name but it's contrarian, controversial, and a bit trollish. The idea is you pick a taboo word or activity to use in a way that causes no harm. Then, people rally against you over it. Then you laugh at them for their wasting time on it.

Alternatively, a form of this draws attention to how much true evil society tolerates under banner of "acceptable behavior" while they put energy into calling out harmless domain names that should get an eye roll at someone's stupidity at worst. These domain names probably received far more hate from certain people than any carcinogen-filled product or even laws that re-enforce things that hold blacks back. Some get virtually no complaints but taboos almost always do. Ya think? ;)

Note: I don't like the domain name(s) for the record. However, I think it can be a joke or a tool of activism in certain situations. I don't know if contrarian, taboo-oriented humor or calling out people's BS was the goal here.

Note 2: I forgot to add I'm big on the second paragraph's version of this kind of humor. I call out self-righteous pricks all the time with it. Includes use of "the N word" in the positive ways blacks use it. It's just too effective at finding most judgmental & often (not always) hypocritical folks. :)

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