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Bacteria that resist 'last antibiotic' found in UK

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Re: Bacteria that resist 'last antibiotic' found in UK

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Come on now. Don't make it about that. If you can't afford real meat, then you can't afford meat. Nobody says that people who can't afford a catalytic converter deserve an exemption allowing them to spew more carbon from their cars. This is the same dynamic, but far, far worse.

I see the isomorphism between catalytic converters and animal protein, but there's a pretty big difference between requiring people to pay more for cars and telling them they can't buy chicken at Aldi anymore. I think shaming people for buying cheap meat is a terrible strategy that will backfire. What needs to change are the regulations. When antibiotics are banned from the food supply, the market will discover other…

Actually I think subsidies, rather than regulations, would be a better strategy. The government subsidises lots of industries to ease the cost of transition to more expensive production methods or to wean them off environmentally destructive practices, or even just to promote growth and take advantage of export opportunities. Subsidising meat production would be a fantastic idea. Pity we have governments the world over that believe they need to "earn tax revenue" before they can spend!

Re: Bacteria that resist 'last antibiotic' found in UK

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How about the most obvious solution: Stop keeping (farm) animals in conditions that require mass antibiotic feedings for the animals to survive?!

Amen. Animal agriculture (innocuously referred to as "agriculture" in the article) has to be the single biggest contributor to the existence of these superbugs.

Possibly. Agriculture uses about 50% of the world's supply of antibiotics. The rest goes to humans. That's a lot, but even without it, there are enough humans on antibiotics to breed resistant strains. Many people take low doses of antibiotics every day for certain conditions like acne.

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Studies show that immigration, sadly, is linked to the spread of antibiotic-resistant diseases. Example: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/25418572/ Immigrant hotspots in London now have tuberculosis rates higher than Iraq and Rwanda. 80% of cases are people born abroad, and some are antibiotic-resistant. This is a disease we thought we'd erradicated: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-34637968 The U.K. h…

The post went from 1, 2, then 3 votes, down to 1, zero and then -1. Interesting. I thought Hacker News might be the kind of forum where an argument backed with facts and sources (including peer reviewed papers) might be enough to break through tribal leftwing suppression of politically incorrect opinions. Evidently not.

I downvoted because of the use of the word "lefties"

Re: Bacteria that resist 'last antibiotic' found in UK

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> We need to start discussing immigration without the stifling constraints of political correctness.

Leftists only support immigration because the immigrants vote overwhelmingly for left-wing parties. It's effectively a grand scheme to establish permanent majorities for left-wing parties through demographic replacement. If these immigrants were white, Christian, and conservative, walls would have already gone up to prevent their entry.

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Studies show that immigration, sadly, is linked to the spread of antibiotic-resistant diseases. Example: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/25418572/ Immigrant hotspots in London now have tuberculosis rates higher than Iraq and Rwanda. 80% of cases are people born abroad, and some are antibiotic-resistant. This is a disease we thought we'd erradicated: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-34637968 The U.K. h…

Bringing up immigration in a conversation about antibiotic resistance, knowing what we know about animal farming practices is ridiculous. An analogy is like complaining about one leaking faucet in a conversation about drought when everyone is watering their garden.

I think his argument was that poorly supervised mass migration, specifically from places with poor healthcare and agriculture practices spreads readily available drug-resistant bacteria to places where otherwise there'd be none or little of them.

And that is a fair point, imo.

We enforce strict border control to protect ourselves from Ebola, SARS and other infectious diseases we can't treat.

I would assume poster expects to see that actions to help refugees and other less lucky people of the world are thoroughly weighed against health risks. Again, fair point, even if the poster is a Trump supporter.

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Bringing up immigration in a conversation about antibiotic resistance, knowing what we know about animal farming practices is ridiculous. An analogy is like complaining about one leaking faucet in a conversation about drought when everyone is watering their garden.

I see you didn't read even the abstract of the study I posted, then?

Out of interest, what proportion of the problems with antibiotic resistance do you think are are caused by immigrants?

[NB I did read the abstract, skimmed the paper with aid of Google Translate and I am, at least by the standards of HN, a raging leftie].

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> We need to start discussing immigration without the stifling constraints of political correctness. Leftists only support immigration because the immigrants vote overwhelmingly for left-wing parties. It's effectively a grand scheme to establish permanent majorities for left-wing parties through demographic replacement. If these immigrants were white, Christian, and conservative, walls would have already gone up to p…

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We are going in the opposite direction. Currently the US has more lax regulations than the EU. In the EU animals have to be healthy all the way throughout their lives to be sold as food. In the US, you can keep them in miserable conditions and then pump them full of antibiotics before slaughtering. Politicians are attempting to remove EU regulations against this under the guise of "removal of barriers to trade" with…

" In the US, you can keep them in miserable conditions and then pump them full of antibiotics before slaughtering. " How do you explain this then? (posted below by legulere) http://i.imgur.com/9ybmhwE.jpg

I can only speculate. For example: how was this data obtained? Is the level of scrutiny equal for all countries or is there some self-reporting going on? All I know is about the differences that exist between regulations and incentives between the EU and the US. This was recently brought to public attention in the EU and there have been some large protests because of the TTIP attempt to "harmonize" practices.

http://capreform.eu/food-safety-in-the-us-eu-ttip-negotiatio...

Do you think this is a lie or being misrepresented in some fashion?

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> We need to start discussing immigration without the stifling constraints of political correctness. Leftists only support immigration because the immigrants vote overwhelmingly for left-wing parties. It's effectively a grand scheme to establish permanent majorities for left-wing parties through demographic replacement. If these immigrants were white, Christian, and conservative, walls would have already gone up to p…

Yes, clearly it is 100% a corrupt conspiracy. Nothing to do with ideals or compassion or even historical evidence, it is entirely calculated self-interest on behalf of every liberal party member. And it's definitely not just a natural cycle where immigrants tend to support parties that aid immigration, it's clearly a grand "scheme".

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Studies show that immigration, sadly, is linked to the spread of antibiotic-resistant diseases. Example: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/25418572/ Immigrant hotspots in London now have tuberculosis rates higher than Iraq and Rwanda. 80% of cases are people born abroad, and some are antibiotic-resistant. This is a disease we thought we'd erradicated: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-34637968 The U.K. h…

Your comment sounds alarmist because it is narrow minded, as it implies that the solution is to stop immigration instead of fighting antibiotic-resistant diseases. If we just stop immigration, we are just delaying the arrival of the problem to our first-world countries (and that supposing we could stop illegal immigration, which is far from trivial). In the meanwhile, anti-immigration policies could mean that sick people don't get a treatment and thus diseases such as tuberculosis are left untreated and spread further.

Immigration cannot be stopped, and that supposing that stopping it is desirable (by the way, as a complete lockdown is probably crazy, which kind of immigration do we restrict? Only from the poor, letting other people from rich countries in? Or should we screen and only let in healthy people?). Any measure taken to "stop" immigration will lead to people being out of the system and thus not able to receive necessary health care and education that could stop infections.

PS: Your last three phrases are what you are getting downvoted for: you take for granted that not being anti-immigration is an hipocrisy, or that it just comes from political-correctness and is not a valid idea-theory-whatever.

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