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Fuck the Cloud (2009)

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Re: Fuck the Cloud (2009)

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Are you talking to me? I never said it was free. No storage solution is free.

He's saying that the article does not apply for S3 and other paid services.

Yeah I guess I can see that. But then again I would never give important data to a 3rd party without some sort of contractual arrangement.

Re: Fuck the Cloud (2009)

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This article doesn't really stand on its own; it comes across as a rambling diatribe by someone who is out of touch. If you have to know who the author of an article is to be persuaded by the argument given then it isn't very good. There are much better articles expressing this point of view.

> This article doesn't really stand on its own; it comes across as a rambling diatribe by someone who is out of touch. Remember that next time you're red with rage because a cloud provider lost your data or a service you depended on is now bought/closed/gone.

My point was more on the quality of the article. The article's point is a valid one, if you can find it.

To constructively disagree, though: I keep backups. I have a Synology NAS device that I really like. But for your average person, I have to wonder - are their digital photos really safer on their laptop than they are on Facebook? Facebook is a fairly stable company. Laptops are lost, stolen, and damaged all the time. Files are accidentally deleted. People get viruses. People forget the password to their full drive encryption. When Facebook does bite the dust, it's hard to imagine that data just disappearing - it's incredibly valuable, and in the worst case, someone would buy it just to sell it back to people. Not ideal, but it isn't lost, and you had free storage for several years anyway.

Re: Fuck the Cloud (2009)

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That is by far my favorite plugin. Just don't forget to turn it off before presenting in a meeting...

Why would you be presenting Chrome in a meeting?

Because you've built your slides with Reveal.js (http://lab.hakim.se/reveal-js/#/), for example.

Re: Fuck the Cloud (2009)

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> Until your control panel gets hacked and you lose all your data This is just alarmism. If you really wanted to demonstrate your point you would show me some data. The data would demonstrate that over the millions and millions of users on a number of cloud platforms that their rates of data loss are significantly higher than your "home spun" storage. Then you would take out the outliers and show an honest distributi…

> demonstrate that ... on a number of cloud platforms ... that their rates of data loss are significantly higher than your "home spun" storage You seem to be missing the point. People are not saying "don't use cloud storage at all " They are saying "don't use cloud storage exclusively " You might trust that your cloud providers will never be hacked, that your individual account on them will never be hacked, that they…

>For truly essential data at least one of those copies is both offline and offsite.

But the fact remains that where ever you choose to put it "offline and offsite" the odds of it being lost are orders of magnitude greater then its persistent and redundant storage on a reputable cloud provider. Even if you put it on the most stable storage you can find and lock it in a underground safe. You can't guarantee its integrity a handful of years from now let alone centuries.

To put it in other words you are advocating storing your money in a mattress because you don't "trust the banks"

Re: Fuck the Cloud (2009)

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> Until your control panel gets hacked and you lose all your data This is just alarmism. If you really wanted to demonstrate your point you would show me some data. The data would demonstrate that over the millions and millions of users on a number of cloud platforms that their rates of data loss are significantly higher than your "home spun" storage. Then you would take out the outliers and show an honest distributi…

> demonstrate that ... on a number of cloud platforms ... that their rates of data loss are significantly higher than your "home spun" storage You seem to be missing the point. People are not saying "don't use cloud storage at all " They are saying "don't use cloud storage exclusively " You might trust that your cloud providers will never be hacked, that your individual account on them will never be hacked, that they…

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Re: Fuck the Cloud (2009)

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> Until your control panel gets hacked and you lose all your data This is just alarmism. If you really wanted to demonstrate your point you would show me some data. The data would demonstrate that over the millions and millions of users on a number of cloud platforms that their rates of data loss are significantly higher than your "home spun" storage. Then you would take out the outliers and show an honest distributi…

> demonstrate that ... on a number of cloud platforms ... that their rates of data loss are significantly higher than your "home spun" storage You seem to be missing the point. People are not saying "don't use cloud storage at all " They are saying "don't use cloud storage exclusively " You might trust that your cloud providers will never be hacked, that your individual account on them will never be hacked, that they…

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Re: Fuck the Cloud (2009)

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Jason's follow up post to this: http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/4352

tl;dr Renting remote computational power is cool (AWS), but renting remote storage is not. I have a complete history of email archives since I started using gmail (ie cloud), but have lost years of archives from the years I managed email myself. It turns out that companies focused on data storage and retrieval do a better job than me. And that's fine. I pay someone to do my taxes and I don't build my own furniture. S…

The tax accountant analogy goes pretty well with this:

The accountant is specialized in doing your taxes (aka serving up your data/files) but you still need to keep a copy of your tax records, receipts, and etc.

Re: Fuck the Cloud (2009)

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Don't we keep our entire life's savings in companies aka banks that we don’t run, don’t control, don’t buy, don’t administrate, and don’t really understand.

Our life's savings are not unique, and can be replenished from a different source. Our childhood pictures and personal correspondence are, and generally can not. Besides, banks are subject to rather a lot of external control, through regulation (oh noes!). Here in NL the government actually guarantees your savings (but not investments) should a bank go belly-up. I believe the US did something similar, although I didn…

> Our life's savings are not unique, and can be replenished from a different source.

In absolute terms, they can, but no one I know of has a solid backup plan for life savings. Life savings come from saving over a lifetime. You can't really replenish them without replenishing someone's life and ability to save.

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