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Re: The best icon is a text label

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> Colonial conquest is not the primary methodology of linguistic propagation. Trade is. A "primary methodology" only applies in "most" cases, not all of them. Lots of languages have perished for outside forces other than trade -- the Hebrew wasn't abandoned because a better trade language came around, but because Israel was conquered and the locals scattered. Other languages were persecuted by decree. Others died bec…

Aramaic was the primary language of trade for the first civilizations during their initial rise. As other trade empires blossomed, more languages appeared, and as trade empires collapsed, those languages vanished. Religion can and does preserve memes and linguistics, but only trade can scale it out.

>Religion can and does preserve memes and linguistics, but only trade can scale it out.

If it was just for trade, language learning would be relegated to merchants in those countries and few others.

Government, bureaucracy and occupation matters more than trade in this regard. That's how latin become the norm in a large area during the roman empire -- and not because everybody in those regions traded directly with Romans or couldn't agree on pricing otherwise.

Same e.g. for French -- it's not because of trade they got big as a language in the 18-early 20th centuries, but because the french run a big colonial empire.

And English, beyond trade, were the language of the big British colonial empire, and afterwards of the dominant culturally power that was America (Hollywood, rock, pop culture etc.).

Re: The best icon is a text label

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I remember getting into a debate about this subject with a self-described UI expert. It was part enlightening and part frustrating. He failed to see the point that so many of his ideas were US-centric, and didn't make sense in any context outside of English-speaking languages, and to be honest, they barely made sense in English. The author brings up Gmail, which has an icon for "archive" that makes zero sense no matt…

> "UI, in my opinion, doesn't mean "pretty," it means "usable," which is sort of implied by U meaning "user."" In frontend land this is often the distinction between UI vs. UX. UX means usability, UI is the more aesthetic side of the exercise, though of course there is considerable overlap. Part of the issue - at least from my corner of the industry in mobile app dev - is that a lot of good UI designers have renamed…

No, the term "UI design" has always meant the “usability” side of the design in professional circles. The aesthetic side has been called visual design or graphic design. However, the history of the whole field has been a fight to find authority inside organisations, and words has been weapons and casualties of this battle.

UI design was always about the “usability”, the “how” and “why” of the design, not the looks. For example, the first edition of Alan Cooper’s About Face (1995) had a subtitle "The Essentials of User Interface Design”. It was more or less the UI design bible back in the 90s for the practitioners.

However, back then, most managers and technical people incorrectly thought that the job of UI designer was to “make this ugly thing we built pretty”. This caused a problem for UI design as a profession, and people inside the field started to use a term "Interaction Design”. It was also a better term because it highlighted the temporal part of the design exercise: the user interaction flow. This is often the hardest part to design right and the term clearly separates the interaction design from designing visual surfaces. This change was reflected in the 2nd edition of About Face (2003), the subtitle was now “The Essentials of Interaction Design”. Also, IxDA, the Interaction Design Association, was founded the same year.

At the same time, there was another rising term, user experience design. It was used especially by Don Norman. While Interaction Designers tried to drive home the point that the interaction design was a separate profession than visual design, Norman took a more holistic approach. Instead of separating the fields, he actually highlighted the importance of aesthetics for the user experience, which culminated in his book Emotional Design (2005).

By the late 2000s, most of the leading software organisations had already understood the importance of UI design. Also, the rise of the startup culture and smaller teams meant that more and more people in our field worked on the product-level decisions, instead of working on the nitty-gritty of technical architecture. User experience design grew to mean a more holistic take on how the user experiences the product and became more or less the umbrella term for the field.

Re: The best icon is a text label

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I guess we gain perspective. We have the stereotype of old people being cranky and stupid (like I come from the era of cd-rom cupholder jokes, faxing images of floppies, etc.), but probably there were intelligent old people out there telling us about missing context and we didn't listen or by its nature what they had to say couldn't get press or something.

I think you're on to something huge and important. Some years ago I was working for an educational software company. We sold directly to schools. As expected, we'd get a lot of feedback from teachers using the product. For a while, everyone from the execs on down would ignore this feedback with a laugh. The majority of teachers we dealt with were absolutely clueless about anything involving software. Their reports re…

Do you remember whether your epiphany seemed to stem from something, or just happened?

Re: The best icon is a text label

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I have no idea what that screenshot is of, but it sure as hell ain't the proper Finder. Maybe it's a look-alike skin for Gnome or something?

I have skinned my OS X install with custom fonts[0], traffic lights[1], and icons[2][3]. [0]: https://github.com/dtinth/YosemiteAndElCapitanSystemFontPatc... [1]: https://github.com/alexzielenski/ThemeEngine [2]: http://freemacsoft.net/liteicon/ [3]: https://www.xs4all.nl/~ronaldpr/emaculation/Mac_Icons_and_Te... as you can see, I'm obviously a SCARY elite hacker that should not be messed with ;) http://i.imgur.com/b…

Do you experience any performance issues with a skinned OS X? I'm a graphical junkie and would love to start hacking away at my GUI.

Re: The best icon is a text label

#195
post #145

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I have skinned my OS X install with custom fonts[0], traffic lights[1], and icons[2][3]. [0]: https://github.com/dtinth/YosemiteAndElCapitanSystemFontPatc... [1]: https://github.com/alexzielenski/ThemeEngine [2]: http://freemacsoft.net/liteicon/ [3]: https://www.xs4all.nl/~ronaldpr/emaculation/Mac_Icons_and_Te... as you can see, I'm obviously a SCARY elite hacker that should not be messed with ;) http://i.imgur.com/b…

Do you experience any performance issues with a skinned OS X? I'm a graphical junkie and would love to start hacking away at my GUI.

Uh, no. Maybe if you use that awful flavours program that hooks into the system graphics API and swizzles all of the changes, but I patch the system files themselves (ThemePark, [S]ArtFileTool, ThemeEngine, whatever AZielenski comes up with next). In fact, the GraphiteAppearance and SystemAppearance.car files are /smaller/ than they were when I started. All you need to do is log out/back in, restart, or simply kill and restart the program for the changes to take effect. You probably need to disable that incredibly stupid rootless `feature` on 10.11 though

Re: The best icon is a text label

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post #193

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I think you're on to something huge and important. Some years ago I was working for an educational software company. We sold directly to schools. As expected, we'd get a lot of feedback from teachers using the product. For a while, everyone from the execs on down would ignore this feedback with a laugh. The majority of teachers we dealt with were absolutely clueless about anything involving software. Their reports re…

Do you remember whether your epiphany seemed to stem from something, or just happened?

We were in a crunch to get version 2.0 out. Had the weekly progress meeting with the director. He had received some feedback from our remote sales team and he read one out loud that he thought was particularly funny. And it was, at least at first. Sounded like a old person flailing around with computers. But, then it hit me. This teacher was describing an edge case where a certain sequence of buttons would cause the whole program to lock up.

It was funny in part because the sequence wasn't something any of us would consider logical. So we had never tested for it. But I was able to duplicate the crash on my system and fixed it.

That was the epiphany. I convinced the director to push out the release date and we went through the backlog of ramblings and rants. Over half of them ended up being very useful.

Re: The best icon is a text label

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+1 This is a huge issue with open source software - everything seems to be named Libre- these days and I haven't found many Americans who can pronounce it...let alone people in China or India.

More than that, Libre- is a very inward-facing name. It's not AwesomeOffice, FriendlyOffice or PowerfulOffice. It's "LibreOffice", something that simply doesn't make any sense to most English speakers. The implication is "we choose this as our adjective, because we care more about our ideology than the quality of your user experience". Ok, the ideology says that "because we build our software like this, you get a bet…

> The implication is "we choose this as our adjective, because we care more about our ideology than the quality of your user experience".

So how does your implication theory explain the fact that TDF is currently hiring a UX mentor and having a tender to develop and incorporate usability metrics collection for LibreOffice?

They didn't just rename the project for fun - Oracle held on to the OpenOffice trademark and the forkers had to think of something to replace it.

Re: The best icon is a text label

#199

Icons can transcend different languages though, a huge boon for small devs.

And using text labels means your labels are different dimensions in different languages.

So? Use an automatic layout algorithm that can deal with that. Users will want different font sizes for your labels, too.

Re: The best icon is a text label

#200

I remember getting into a debate about this subject with a self-described UI expert. It was part enlightening and part frustrating. He failed to see the point that so many of his ideas were US-centric, and didn't make sense in any context outside of English-speaking languages, and to be honest, they barely made sense in English. The author brings up Gmail, which has an icon for "archive" that makes zero sense no matt…

Here's one argument you can use against icon advocates: "The ancient Egyptians already tried hieroglyphics. They didn't work. What makes you think they will this time?" Still waiting for a good answer to this one. When someone does successfully counter it, I imagine the rebuttal will involve Chinese pictograms or something else that has worked well for a while but isn't likely to survive the next thousand years.

Really, you describe a script which has been around at least three thousand years and is currently being used by over a billion people as "worked well for a while"? What's your basis for saying it "isn't likely to survive the next thousand years"?
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