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Re: Obama Signs CISA Bill into Law

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Post by gcb0 »

herbig wrote: post #85
randomname2 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The 14 votes against, FWIW: Baldwin (D-WI) Booker (D-NJ) Brown (D-OH) Coons (D-DE) Franken (D-MN) Leahy (D-VT) Markey (D-MA) Menendez (D-NJ) Merkley (D-OR) Paul (R-KY) Sanders (I-VT) Udall (D-NM) Warren (D-MA) Wyden (D-OR) https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20151022/10133932597/cisa-...

I'm a very liberal persion, but I really like Rand Paul. I just wish he didn't think gays were going to burn in hell for all eternity, or at least would stick to libertarian principles on the issue and let people live how they want to live. The same with abortion laws. I'd be way more into supporting him if he would concede he doesn't agree personally, but that people shouldn't be forced by the government to live acc…

every liberal has to draw a line somewhere. he might think aborting is murder, so he puts the same restrictions you (hopefully) put on murder.

Re: Obama Signs CISA Bill into Law

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Post by flycaliguy »

spo81rty wrote: post #92
herbig wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a very liberal persion, but I really like Rand Paul. I just wish he didn't think gays were going to burn in hell for all eternity, or at least would stick to libertarian principles on the issue and let people live how they want to live. The same with abortion laws. I'd be way more into supporting him if he would concede he doesn't agree personally, but that people shouldn't be forced by the government to live acc…

I've always felt that was how Paul believed. He thinks marriage is between a man and a woman but doesn't think the government should be involved in defining it.

Always interesting to note that:

"I believe marriage is between a man and a woman. I am not in favor of gay marriage."

is exactly what Obama "believed" in 2008.

Re: Obama Signs CISA Bill into Law

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Post by 0x09 »

randomname2 wrote: post #59
tptacek wrote: post #45

CISA passed the Senate with almost 3:1 bipartisan support in October. PCNA, the House's (worse) version of CISA, passed with similar margins in April. Obama has publicly supported the bill all year. As much as HN and Twitter wants to believe CISA was enacted in some shady backroom deal, the process that actually occurred, including publicly available amendments and months-long review, is pretty close to "Schoolhouse…

The 14 votes against, FWIW: Baldwin (D-WI) Booker (D-NJ) Brown (D-OH) Coons (D-DE) Franken (D-MN) Leahy (D-VT) Markey (D-MA) Menendez (D-NJ) Merkley (D-OR) Paul (R-KY) Sanders (I-VT) Udall (D-NM) Warren (D-MA) Wyden (D-OR) https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20151022/10133932597/cisa-...

Note that these were the votes against the original CISA bill, NOT the bill that passed yesterday. Those votes were:

   Nay - Sen. Michael Crapo [R]
   Nay - Sen. Michael Enzi [R]
   Nay - Sen. Charles “Chuck” Grassley [R]
   Nay - Sen. John McCain [R]
   Nay - Sen. Jefferson “Jeff” Sessions [R]
   Nay - Sen. Richard Shelby [R]
   Nay - Sen. John Boozman [R]
   Nay - Sen. Richard Burr [R]
   Nay - Sen. Jeff Flake [R]
   Nay - Sen. Jerry Moran [R]
   Nay - Sen. Robert “Rob” Portman [R]
   Nay - Sen. Patrick “Pat” Toomey [R]
   Nay - Sen. David Vitter [R]
   Nay - Sen. John Thune [R]
   Nay - Sen. Bill Cassidy [R]
   Nay - Sen. James Risch [R]
   Nay - Sen. Tim Scott [R]
   Not Voting - Sen. Marco Rubio [R]
   Nay - Sen. Rand Paul [R]
   Nay - Sen. Mike Lee [R]
   Nay - Sen. Tom Cotton [R]
   Nay - Sen. Steve Daines [R]
   Nay - Sen. Deb Fischer [R]
   Nay - Sen. Ted Cruz [R]
   Nay - Sen. Dan Sullivan [R]
   Nay - Sen. Joni Ernst [R]
   Nay - Sen. Benjamin Sasse [R]

   Nay - Sen. Jeff Merkley [D]
   Nay - Sen. Joe Manchin III [D]
   Nay - Sen. Jon Tester [D]
   Nay - Sen. Claire McCaskill [D]
   Not Voting - Sen. Barbara Boxer [D]
   Nay - Sen. Ron Wyden [D]
   Nay - Sen. Edward “Ed” Markey [D]
   Nay - Sen. Bernard “Bernie” Sanders [I]
Source: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/114-2015/s339

Re: Obama Signs CISA Bill into Law

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Post by rgbrenner »

caseysoftware wrote: post #70
peter303 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The bill was online for two days before voting. I looked at sections of it. Any Congressman could have read in advance. It was very long and had lots of number amounts. Only an expert could tell if these were increases or decreases.

Increases. There have been very few true "cuts" at the Federal level in the last few generations. The secret is Baseline Budgeting[1]. If your agency got $100 this year, you ask for $110 next year and that becomes the "baseline." Now when the actual budget negotiations happen, you may only get $105. Most people would call this a 5% increase but instead they consider it a (roughly) 5% cut from the baseline. This is ho…

you make it sound like the numbers are out of thin air.. but your link says:

Baseline budgeting uses current spending levels as the "baseline" for establishing future funding requirements and assumes future budgets will equal the current budget times the inflation rate times the population growth rate.

Sounds reasonable to me.

Re: Obama Signs CISA Bill into Law

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Post by nickpsecurity »

0x09 wrote: post #133
randomname2 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The 14 votes against, FWIW: Baldwin (D-WI) Booker (D-NJ) Brown (D-OH) Coons (D-DE) Franken (D-MN) Leahy (D-VT) Markey (D-MA) Menendez (D-NJ) Merkley (D-OR) Paul (R-KY) Sanders (I-VT) Udall (D-NM) Warren (D-MA) Wyden (D-OR) https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20151022/10133932597/cisa-...

Note that these were the votes against the original CISA bill, NOT the bill that passed yesterday. Those votes were: Nay - Sen. Michael Crapo [R] Nay - Sen. Michael Enzi [R] Nay - Sen. Charles “Chuck” Grassley [R] Nay - Sen. John McCain [R] Nay - Sen. Jefferson “Jeff” Sessions [R] Nay - Sen. Richard Shelby [R] Nay - Sen. John Boozman [R] Nay - Sen. Richard Burr [R] Nay - Sen. Jeff Flake [R] Nay - Sen. Jerry Moran [R]…

Another way of wording this: a list of people to consider re-electing. :)

Re: Obama Signs CISA Bill into Law

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Post by danielnaab »

robotkilla wrote: post #99
bratsche wrote: post #75

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There's a group of tech volunteers working on apps to try to help out his campaign. I'm sure they would welcome any additional help from HN people.

links? i just signed an acceptance letter for a FT job but would be willing to help remotely if possible.

There are a lot of people building their own projects, as well as volunteering time to official campaign projects. https://coders.forsanders.com/

Re: Obama Signs CISA Bill into Law

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Post by cthalupa »

cconroy wrote: post #118
oceanstone wrote: post #62

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Bernie Sanders and Tammy Baldwin are pretty consistent when it comes to supporting privacy and the internet. They were actually the only two Senators who voted against the "Freedom" Act [1] who also supported net neutrality [2]. Both also voted against the "Patriot" Act in 2001, while they served in the House [3]. [1] http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_c... [2] http://www.baldwin.senate.gov/pr…

Can you explain why you think Bob Kahn is against net neutrality (whereas Vint Cerf is for it)? I am not that familiar with this issue and the other sides arguments (against), but there are prominent people there.

Older article, but his stance is basically the same today

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/01/18/kahn_net_neutrality_...

Re: Obama Signs CISA Bill into Law

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Post by chongli »

robotkilla wrote: post #60
randomname2 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The 14 votes against, FWIW: Baldwin (D-WI) Booker (D-NJ) Brown (D-OH) Coons (D-DE) Franken (D-MN) Leahy (D-VT) Markey (D-MA) Menendez (D-NJ) Merkley (D-OR) Paul (R-KY) Sanders (I-VT) Udall (D-NM) Warren (D-MA) Wyden (D-OR) https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20151022/10133932597/cisa-...

I'm honestly starting to think sander's is our last hope -- I was on the fence until seeing this. Meanwhile he is getting undermined by the media.

Assume he wins and becomes president, what could he do? Judging by the way congress operates right now, not much.

Re: Obama Signs CISA Bill into Law

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Post by oceanstone »

cconroy wrote: post #118
oceanstone wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bernie Sanders and Tammy Baldwin are pretty consistent when it comes to supporting privacy and the internet. They were actually the only two Senators who voted against the "Freedom" Act [1] who also supported net neutrality [2]. Both also voted against the "Patriot" Act in 2001, while they served in the House [3]. [1] http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_c... [2] http://www.baldwin.senate.gov/pr…

Can you explain why you think Bob Kahn is against net neutrality (whereas Vint Cerf is for it)? I am not that familiar with this issue and the other sides arguments (against), but there are prominent people there.

Has he taken a stance against net neutrality recently? He seems to have taken a stance around 2007 that regulation might be detrimental to innovation. I'd be interested to hear his thoughts on the FCC's 2014 ruling, and if he felt those regulations specifically were negative or positive.

Re: Obama Signs CISA Bill into Law

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Post by crusso »

tptacek wrote: post #93
pvg wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What concessions did they make? It was the other way round, he made a list of demands and they said no and then proceeded to not-endorse him.

The Freedom Caucus killed Kevin McCarthy's bid, even after it had been seen as a fait accompli, and made a list of demands for candidates for the speakership. Paul Ryan publicly rejected those demands, and was elected speaker without any of the process change demands that Freedom had said were requirements. The idea that Ryan got the speakership through backroom deals is false. The House majority was in disarray foll…

The Freedom Caucus killed Kevin McCarthy's bid

McCarthy killed his bid with one interview on Hannity where he implied that he had helped orchestrate the Benghazi committee as a means to take down Hillary. That was the slip-up that gave the Freedom Caucus the necessary leverage they needed.

Other than that, I agree with your understanding of how Ryan became Speaker.

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