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Show HN: Open Hunt – an open and community-run alternative to Product Hunt

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Re: Show HN: Open Hunt – an open and community-run alternative to Product Hunt

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Post by minimaxir »

mmohebbi wrote: post #17

You should take a look at lobsters. They solve a lot of the transparency issues that some have with HN and ProductHunt. "Some other link aggregation sites are operated by corporate entities which may have significant financial incentive to censor or artificially promote the links and discussion that relate to those entities, their investments, or their competitors. Some of these sites have had moderators of popular s…

Granted, the "sign up by invitation" policy also is the primary reason why Product Hunt has become such an elitist club. Using an invite-system to counteract that would be self-defeating.

Re: Show HN: Open Hunt – an open and community-run alternative to Product Hunt

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Post by jacquesc »

andrewstuart wrote: post #16
jacquesc wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the feedback. Can you elaborate? We'd like to build something sustainable, and to start that just means building the community. Monetization concerns would be an open question that I think the community could decide on later. Would love to learn more about what you have in mind.

Just the same as google. Organic is what you have. Paid ads on the side or above - for startups who want their company name to remain in the limelight beyond their one day of organic listing. FWIW I think the name is pretty ordinary. "OpenHunt" just means "copy of ProductHunt" and "open" means nothing except to try to have a position against PH. What you have has no identity of its own.

Agreed! As mentioned in the FAQ (http://openhunt.co/faq), we intend to rename the site (and use the community to decide on the real name).

Re: Show HN: Open Hunt – an open and community-run alternative to Product Hunt

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Post by andrewstuart »

jacquesc wrote: post #22
andrewstuart wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just the same as google. Organic is what you have. Paid ads on the side or above - for startups who want their company name to remain in the limelight beyond their one day of organic listing. FWIW I think the name is pretty ordinary. "OpenHunt" just means "copy of ProductHunt" and "open" means nothing except to try to have a position against PH. What you have has no identity of its own.

Agreed! As mentioned in the FAQ ( http://openhunt.co/faq ), we intend to rename the site (and use the community to decide on the real name).

Can't say I see the value in this. You're right now getting possibly the biggest traffic kickstart from HN with a name that you're planning to drop - you have a plan to waste all that branding potential.

Also I don't see any upside in asking the community to come up with a name - you fixed the democracy problem with PH, you don't need to become community obsessed to the point of not being able to make important decisions on your own, plus the downside of the time it will take.

In your shoes I'd get a new name in as soon as humanly possible and even right now whilst this wave of traffic comes in from HN.

Re: Show HN: Open Hunt – an open and community-run alternative to Product Hunt

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Post by bachmeier »

minimaxir wrote: post #18
andrewstuart wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did Ryan Hoover ever respond to all the negative sentiment about PH?

No. The only comment is a "Sorry": https://twitter.com/rrhoover/status/676926628979720192 Which is to be expected, "vocal minority" and all.

That doesn't read to me as "Sorry". It's more "oh well".

Re: Show HN: Open Hunt – an open and community-run alternative to Product Hunt

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Post by _nate_ »

jacquesc wrote: post #15
DanBC wrote: post #13

I'd join this. It's asking for scary permissions: > Read Tweets from your timeline. > See who you follow, and follow new people. > Update your profile. > Post Tweets for you. Please, consider adding more options, or explaining how you use those permissions. (For example, you can do what you like to my facebook wall.) EDIT: Lack of public posting is an interesting choice. It doesn't feel like much of a community. I ca…

Oops, that's a mistake. We meant to do read only. Fixing now

Can we create an account without twitter or FB in general?

Re: Show HN: Open Hunt – an open and community-run alternative to Product Hunt

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Post by Keats »

jacquesc wrote: post #2

For a bit of background: - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10739875 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10741827 I've been a Product Hunt user from their initial HN launch and am still a big fan. They've made a very important impact in the tech scene. Open Hunt is an honest attempt at a community run alternative, tailored to giving / getting feedback, and finding very early stage stuff. Would love your feedba…

Only twitter account means I can't login/signup (I don't have a twitter account).

Re: Show HN: Open Hunt – an open and community-run alternative to Product Hunt

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Post by minimaxir »

jacquesc wrote: post #6
pibefision wrote: post #4

I like the idea. why comments are not public?

2 reasons initially: - prevent too much spam, moderation workload - encourage honest (harsh) feedback that the product owner can take action on. also if the same feedback comes in twice from 2 diff people, thats a great indicator. public comments do not allow that (since most people wont duplicate a comment if they already see someone else saying it)

Those are both very bad reasons for making commenting private.

1. A downvote system is sufficient to catch spammers, with explicitly moderation needed for edge cases. (And those edge cases would be applicable even in private commenting)

2. Harsh feedback is discouraged on Product Hunt because of the elitism. Having comments public will not discourage it. (C.f. Hacker News)

Re: Show HN: Open Hunt – an open and community-run alternative to Product Hunt

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Post by jacquesc »

_nate_ wrote: post #25
jacquesc wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oops, that's a mistake. We meant to do read only. Fixing now

Can we create an account without twitter or FB in general?

yep, that's definitely on the table. its a community run project, so please add a github issue and we can start the discussion about pros/cons

Re: Show HN: Open Hunt – an open and community-run alternative to Product Hunt

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Post by DanBC »

jacquesc wrote: post #15
DanBC wrote: post #13

I'd join this. It's asking for scary permissions: > Read Tweets from your timeline. > See who you follow, and follow new people. > Update your profile. > Post Tweets for you. Please, consider adding more options, or explaining how you use those permissions. (For example, you can do what you like to my facebook wall.) EDIT: Lack of public posting is an interesting choice. It doesn't feel like much of a community. I ca…

Oops, that's a mistake. We meant to do read only. Fixing now

Cool, thank you!
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